QUOTE (Stormtrooper53 @ Mar 13 2008, 08:00 AM)

QUOTE (Father Time @ Mar 12 2008, 01:36 PM)

QUOTE (Decepticon rhinox @ Mar 12 2008, 12:50 PM)

i want wheelie. and kup,and uhh,let´s see...rattrap would work for animated.
By the way,you're saying the ut characters wouldn't fit in,but bumblebee was originally going to be hotshot. he was replaced after the movie decided to rehash bumblebee's popularity. (which,in my opinion,is a complete load of bull,since bumblebee has been a top choice throughout all series)
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Bumblebee is pretty much Rattrap. 2: Between G1 Pretender Bumblebee and Classics Bumblebee, no Bumblebee toy was ever made, because during that time, Hasbro had lost the right to the name. Only thanks to the movie, they reaquired it. Classics Bumblebee makes use of that, only because of the postponement of the Movie.
And, really, the "Hotshot" role is pretty much the role of the youngster. In the few episodes of Animated, Bumblebee had more characterization than Hotshot had in three series.
Rattrap = grizzled blue collar worker who questions orders, especially if they could get him killed. Would rather sneak in and sneak out than get in a shoot out.
Bumblebee = youngster with something to prove. More ambition than ability. Prefers a straight fight to all that sneakin' around.
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They both come from the basic premise of being an annoying smartass. They just developed differently, but in the classic five-man group composition, they both fulfill the slot of the wiseguy.
Or, in case you never noticed: In a lot of this kind of media, the core group of heroes consists of five members, like a five man band:
* The Hero - (lead singer) - the leader of the group; can be clean-cut and upstanding, bold and charismatic, serious and driven, or some combination of the three. (Animated Prime, Primal, Aang)
* The Lancer - (lead guitarist) - the second-in-command, usually a contrast to The Hero. If the Hero is clean-cut, the Lancer is a grizzled Anti Hero; if the Hero is the driven and straight-laced type, the Lancer is more relaxed and level-headed. In a comedy situation, the Lancer is often The Straight Man or a Deadpan Snarker. (Ratchet, Dinobot, Katara)
* The Big Guy - (bassist or drummer) - the strongman of the team, often dumb. Or mute. Sometimes a Genius Bruiser instead. (Bulkhead, Rhinox, Toph)
* The Smart Guy - (keyboardist) - the physically weak, but intelligent or clever member, often annoying or for comic relief; often a Trickster and a buddy of the Big Guy. ( Bumblebee, Rattrap, Sokka)
* The Chick - (tambourine, vocal effects) - usually the band's "heart" or moral center and usually the most innocent and/or emotional of the group. This role is usually taken by the token female of the group, hence the name, and if there's a royal in the band, it's usually her: see Princess Allura (Voltron), and Princess Leia Organa (Star Wars). If done wrong, the poor Chick is little more than a useless tag-along who gets in the other heroes' way. If done right, she can become a secondary Lancer or Smart Guy, or perhaps the Team Mom. The Hero and Lancer are usually in a Love Triangle with her at the center. (Cheetor, Prowl. Yes, I know, they're not female, but remember, this is all
metaphoric. And Katara and Toph are both The Chicks, although Katara more than Toph)
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