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Zombie Rodimus
I know Unicron is at, probably, the lowest point of his ongoing popularity right now because of appearing so much in AEC that basically everyone got bored of him, but a lot of fans weren't completely satisfied with his appearances there.

Do you think there is a place for him, at some point, in the movie continuity? I think, if handled correctly, a planet-eating monstrosity attacking the Earth could be a great plot for the movies. He could be really creepy, and I'd love to see an ILM-animated Uni.

On the other hand, you may feel the evil Nokia was enough and never want to see the big orange guy ever again.
Lord Madhammer
No, never. Robo-Galactus is teh ghey.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 28 2008, 09:14 AM) *
No, never. Robo-Galactus is teh ghey.

I way agree with this.
Emperor Megatron
Yes, he should be. Just because a lot of people on INTERNET message boards have gotten bored with Unicron because of the AEC trilogy (we're hardcore fans, we watch everything) doesn't mean the movie-going crowd will be bored with Unicron.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Feb 28 2008, 09:56 AM) *
Yes, he should be. Just because a lot of people on INTERNET message boards have gotten bored with Unicron because of the AEC trilogy (we're hardcore fans, we watch everything) doesn't mean the movie-going crowd will be bored with Unicron.

I don't say "no" because of boredom, I say "no" because the idea is bad.
Darth Caine
[screams in hi-pitched voice like G1 Screamer]

NEVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR!!

[/screams]
SMITHSQUARED
Soundwinder
Eh, maybe... but I can't think of a way to make him work. Especially without the Matrix or Primus (replaced with the [destroyed] Allspark), he can't work in the traditional sense.

And I don't think they'd be able to pull off a planet-former in live-action. And after seeing the failure that was Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie (which really should've been a lot easier to pull off than Unicron), I don't want to see them try and fail miserably.
Darth Caine
More importantly, I don't want him to come, reformat the Decepticons into bunch of Tinky Winky clones.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Feb 28 2008, 11:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Feb 28 2008, 09:56 AM) *
Yes, he should be. Just because a lot of people on INTERNET message boards have gotten bored with Unicron because of the AEC trilogy (we're hardcore fans, we watch everything) doesn't mean the movie-going crowd will be bored with Unicron.

I don't say "no" because of boredom, I say "no" because the idea is bad.

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I accept Unicron in TF:TM because nostalgia > logic. But beyond that, no.
Emperor Megatron
QUOTE (Soundwinder @ Feb 28 2008, 12:48 PM) *
Eh, maybe... but I can't think of a way to make him work. Especially without the Matrix or Primus (replaced with the [destroyed] Allspark), he can't work in the traditional sense.

And I don't think they'd be able to pull off a planet-former in live-action. And after seeing the failure that was Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie (which really should've been a lot easier to pull off than Unicron), I don't want to see them try and fail miserably.

Unless they do a "Transformers: The Search for Primus" movie. tounge1.gif
Zombie Rodimus
QUOTE (Soundwinder @ Feb 28 2008, 11:48 AM) *
Eh, maybe... but I can't think of a way to make him work. Especially without the Matrix or Primus (replaced with the [destroyed] Allspark), he can't work in the traditional sense.

And I don't think they'd be able to pull off a planet-former in live-action. And after seeing the failure that was Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie (which really should've been a lot easier to pull off than Unicron), I don't want to see them try and fail miserably.


Ah, but ILM weren't doing the special effects for FF2. Really, he's just as easy to pull of as any of the TFs - easier, since he's just a big ball - only bigger. Scale is the only thing I can think of, and I don't think that's really a big problem, you could as easily make Prime appear larger in the digital editing stage. So him as a special effect isn't the problem.

I can at least think of one way to make Uni work in the movie continuity: just as the Allspark is the creator of life, so Unicron is, quite simply, the bringer of death. He appears on the edge of the Solar System, detected by Sector 7 (or whoever) who literally refer to the giant ball apparently propelling itself through the galaxy in defiance of normal physical laws as 'the sphere'. Optimus Prime explains that it's supposed to just be a legend - an evil force known as the chaos bringer which acts as the opposite of the Allspark, draining life from all living things it encounters - even worlds. Unicron could then draw the dead Decepticons from the bottom of the ocean and resurrect them as zombie robots to create chaos and prevent the world from preparing for him to devour it, forcing the Autobots to fight against the revived 'cons whilst also working to find a way to, if not repel, turn back Unicron.

In the end Optimus Prime uses the Allspark fragment to create a very familiar looking 'matrix', a weapon of pure life energy that it is thought may be able to damage Unicron. Only one problem - the matrix's energy must be unleashed long before Unicron arrives, as his gravity will wipe the Earth clean of all life long before he approaches to devour it. Prime plans to take the matrix into space himself, but at that moment, Megatron (or Galvatron, depending where we go with this) attacks and he is forced to stand and fight. A young autobot warrior (Bumblebee or Hot Rod, again it depends) takes the matrix and leaves in the huge space ship built with cybertronian technology to reach Unicron. As he nears Unicron, out by Jupiter, the Autobot attempts to land on Unicron, but Unicron's weapons make it nearly impossible. In the chaos he accidentally unleashes part of the Matrix's power, which reformats the space ship into an Autobot - Omega Supreme! Omega keeps Unicron distracted as the Autobot looks for a way in, and it's as a result of this that Unicron transforms. Finally the Autobot fights his way into Unicron's head, and there (potentially after a battle with a newly activated TF who resembles Galvatron and serves as a method of communication between Unicron and 'lesser' beings) unleashes the power of the Matrix.

Finally, as a blinding explosion in the sky is seen from the Earth, it is thought the Autobot and the Omega Supreme shuttle are both lost. However, days later that Autobot returns to Earth, changed - he is now Rodimus Prime (or Goldbug, whatever)! Omega Supreme also survives and both vow to protect the Earth against cosmic threats any way they can.

...at least that's how I'd do it. Unicron threatening Earth rather than Cybertron is obvious, really, since Cybertron is already dead in the continuity.
Cadogen
Not only no, not only:
QUOTE (Mr Maxtastic @ Feb 28 2008, 10:13 AM) *


... but "do not do it unless you want the Horsemen of the Apocalypse to arrive and herald the ends of times" no.

Unicron has been used and abused. Besides, I fail to see how a planet sized robot would fit within the scope of reality in the first place. Anywhere near our orbit and the Earth (as well as other planets) would be destroyed into oblivion.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Zombie Rodimus @ Feb 28 2008, 12:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Soundwinder @ Feb 28 2008, 11:48 AM) *
Eh, maybe... but I can't think of a way to make him work. Especially without the Matrix or Primus (replaced with the [destroyed] Allspark), he can't work in the traditional sense.

And I don't think they'd be able to pull off a planet-former in live-action. And after seeing the failure that was Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie (which really should've been a lot easier to pull off than Unicron), I don't want to see them try and fail miserably.


Ah, but ILM weren't doing the special effects for FF2. Really, he's just as easy to pull of as any of the TFs - easier, since he's just a big ball - only bigger. Scale is the only thing I can think of, and I don't think that's really a big problem, you could as easily make Prime appear larger in the digital editing stage. So him as a special effect isn't the problem.

I can at least think of one way to make Uni work in the movie continuity: just as the Allspark is the creator of life, so Unicron is, quite simply, the bringer of death. He appears on the edge of the Solar System, detected by Sector 7 (or whoever) who literally refer to the giant ball apparently propelling itself through the galaxy in defiance of normal physical laws as 'the sphere'. Optimus Prime explains that it's supposed to just be a legend - an evil force known as the chaos bringer which acts as the opposite of the Allspark, draining life from all living things it encounters - even worlds. Unicron could then draw the dead Decepticons from the bottom of the ocean and resurrect them as zombie robots to create chaos and prevent the world from preparing for him to devour it, forcing the Autobots to fight against the revived 'cons whilst also working to find a way to, if not repel, turn back Unicron.

In the end Optimus Prime uses the Allspark fragment to create a very familiar looking 'matrix', a weapon of pure life energy that it is thought may be able to damage Unicron. Only one problem - the matrix's energy must be unleashed long before Unicron arrives, as his gravity will wipe the Earth clean of all life long before he approaches to devour it. Prime plans to take the matrix into space himself, but at that moment, Megatron (or Galvatron, depending where we go with this) attacks and he is forced to stand and fight. A young autobot warrior (Bumblebee or Hot Rod, again it depends) takes the matrix and leaves in the huge space ship built with cybertronian technology to reach Unicron. As he nears Unicron, out by Jupiter, the Autobot attempts to land on Unicron, but Unicron's weapons make it nearly impossible. In the chaos he accidentally unleashes part of the Matrix's power, which reformats the space ship into an Autobot - Omega Supreme! Omega keeps Unicron distracted as the Autobot looks for a way in, and it's as a result of this that Unicron transforms. Finally the Autobot fights his way into Unicron's head, and there (potentially after a battle with a newly activated TF who resembles Galvatron and serves as a method of communication between Unicron and 'lesser' beings) unleashes the power of the Matrix.

Finally, as a blinding explosion in the sky is seen from the Earth, it is thought the Autobot and the Omega Supreme shuttle are both lost. However, days later that Autobot returns to Earth, changed - he is now Rodimus Prime (or Goldbug, whatever)! Omega Supreme also survives and both vow to protect the Earth against cosmic threats any way they can.

...at least that's how I'd do it. Unicron threatening Earth rather than Cybertron is obvious, really, since Cybertron is already dead in the continuity.

But - if I understand gravity correctly - Unicron as a planet large enough to eat other planets couldn't get very close to Earth without some devastating effect anyway. Like so many Transformer elements, it's just an idea that works in a kid's cartoon, but not in a live action film.

Beyond the Allspark, I'm not interested in the Movies exploring the origins of the Cybertronians or their mythology beyond the sort of vagueness the Allspark had in part one. I'm interested in their attack on, and defense of, Earth. Period.
SMITHSQUARED
the 20 clearanced DeathStar Vaders at my local walmart tell me that hasbro isnt going to bet the farm on any more planet formers again for a long time, 3 failures in a row is thier limit




(I still want a golden age primus though redface2tf.gif )
Lord Madhammer
Nice effort ZR, but unfortunately it still doesn't help Unicron to pass the BS test. There's still no good reason why there would even be a "force of death" to counteract the Allspark, or why it would take the shape of a giant planet-y robot thing.

The least plausible thing about Unicron IMO is that he is even a Transformer in the first place. He can already eat planets in Giant Teethy Ball mode. If you think about it, his transformation in TF:TM made no sense at all. Instead of just eating Cybertron (which would have taken a few minutes), he transforms and kicks it in the nads a few times, leaving it mostly intact. And his robot mode made him vulnerable to attack (EYE PWNED'D). Obviously he was a transforming robot in TF:TM so the kids could all go OOOOOH HE HAS A SECRET ROBOT MODE, but practically speaking it doesn't help him at all.
SMITHSQUARED
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 28 2008, 04:11 PM) *
Nice effort ZR, but unfortunately it still doesn't help Unicron to pass the BS test. There's still no good reason why there would even be a "force of death" to counteract the Allspark, or why it would take the shape of a giant planet-y robot thing.

The least plausible thing about Unicron IMO is that he is even a Transformer in the first place. He can already eat planets in Giant Teethy Ball mode. If you think about it, his transformation in TF:TM made no sense at all. Instead of just eating Cybertron (which would have taken a few minutes), he transforms and kicks it in the nads a few times, leaving it mostly intact. And his robot mode made him vulnerable to attack (EYE PWNED'D). Obviously he was a transforming robot in TF:TM so the kids could all go OOOOOH HE HAS A SECRET ROBOT MODE, but practically speaking it doesn't help him at all.


MICHAEL BAY BIG DADDY RAPED MY CHILDHOOD
Taaron
Off the cuff, I'm with the others about Unicron. Nu-uh, no way, no how.

But while reading over the topic, I thought maybe it could be interesting if they change who Unicron is. Have the giant planet, but instead of it being a robot; have it something kin to a military transport. Unicron is now something similar to a Protoform comet (read: Typical Transformer size.) and leading a force dedicated to wiping out planets in which the All Spark has come into contact with. (Maybe they could pass up Cybertron, declaring that the war for the Allspark has already destroyed it enough to where they don't have to mess with it.)

Aoi
I.S.T.
In these movies? No.

In future ones? I hope so. I'd love to see a render done by the ILM artists of how they'd do Unicron, thouugh...
bigkid24
I don't think so. I think it's too grandiose a plot to conquer in a two hour movie. Besides I don't want to see Decepticons and Autobots working together to fight Unicron or some lame premise like that.
Pun-3X
Small sample, but I'm glad to see the "no's" on this one. I'm sure there are better plot devices to be made for the movie franchise.
Galzamus
I don't think Unicron would be a good idea.. of course, I'm also on the "I don't think the dinobots would be a good idea" boat as well, so I'm probably one to talk. Both of these guys work better in cartoons than they do live action (also keep in mind TF:TM was a cartoon movie to begin with, just stating the fact) .. if there is to be a unicron in the universe the movie set up, force of death to counter the all spark or what have you, he's probably going to be something akin to Nemesis Prime or that lil Unicron Tank toy they made not to long ago.

They could do it, in theory.. but they'd have to be careful about how it was done.. same can be said with the dinobots. Either you're going to get - what some fans would call - an inferior representation of the character, or the movie is gonna get really cheesey really quick.

I like the real world physics in the movie so far.. so I'd rather just save the saturday morning cartoon super villians and heros for TF:A where they can run free with ideas and concepts.. but in the movie, I like the status quo.

So.. no.
Emperor Megatron
The chances of Unicron actually appearing in a new movie is very slim. There's more they can do as they're not strictly following the established mythology.
Haggisjin
Maybe in sequel number six or something. Personally, I'd prefer to see the Autobots fighting Mr T before I see Unicron in a film.
STPrime
sorry guys, but there is no way i'm letting my ball sac be in a tf movie.
Prime-Collector
Good writers and directors could pull it off. But I say No. Not with these clowns.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Prime-Collector @ Feb 29 2008, 08:59 AM) *
Good writers and directors could pull it off. But I say No. Not with these clowns.

I disagree. Unicron's that bad an idea, IMO.
I.S.T.
I'd be happy if they put like a ten minute CG short with how they would do Unicron on the TF2 DVD/Blu-Ray...

Simply because it would look totally awesome, and you'd not have to worry about them making Unicron into the Transformers equivalent of Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie...
Satan's Camaro
NO
masterminicon
Maybe somewhere far, far down the road. I too fear a Galactus type Unicron if they attempted to put him in the movie. If he was going to be in it, I'd prefer him to be some legendary death bringer that's just really a big TF, not planet big, but still big in power and not necessarily size. Something that even Optimus would at some point show dispare with it rampaging on Earth.

As for those who had an issue with Galactus, worry not, I've read that they're planning a Silver Surfer movie with him done correctly, and if you look in FF2, when Surfer flies into the cloud, at the heart of it, you can see Galactus' head shape and his eyes.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Feb 29 2008, 11:12 AM) *
I'd be happy if they put like a ten minute CG short with how they would do Unicron on the TF2 DVD/Blu-Ray...

Simply because it would look totally awesome

No it wouldn't.

Unless you had ten years to watch it happen.
Agent Zero
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 3 2008, 11:53 AM) *
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Feb 29 2008, 11:12 AM) *
I'd be happy if they put like a ten minute CG short with how they would do Unicron on the TF2 DVD/Blu-Ray...

Simply because it would look totally awesome

No it wouldn't.

Unless you had ten years to watch it happen.

Plus, it would be to costly, even as a five minuet DVD special.
I don't remember the exact numbers, but these ILM CGI 'Bots and 'Cons weren't/aren't cheap to make. I'd imagine a rendition of Unicron would be costly.
Tripredacus
My answer is no. They need something different. Besides if and when we get a TF movie that focuses on Cybertron, I'd like to see something other than Unicron. Although I wouldn't mind Unicron cronies ala G1 Marvel comics and they come to realise their hardbinger of doom isn't Unicron but Shockwave being a fool would be funny.
Emperor Megatron
Hasbro, Paramount, and Marvel should work together on making a movie that uses Liege Maximo and his Cybertronian Empire as the enemy in a movie instead of Unicron, maybe even include the Swarm or use them for a separate movie.
Direrose
It would be like the cartoon movie and the rise of the silver surfer. redface2tf.gif
sonray
As long as he isnt a planet (which simply wont work in the movieverse) it might be cool.
Megatron Prime
considering that he is a multidimensional thingy that travels between dimensions (this is canon as it is stated in a canon source and has something to do with multiverses) the possibility is there. but there is a chance that he is a tank, as he is multiversal and was turned into a tank in the cybertron comics. but then, he could just avoid going there to avoid having to get so complex
Aquarion
I'd rather that the Quintessons showed up and it was revealed that they created the Allspark.
I.S.T.
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 3 2008, 10:53 AM) *
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Feb 29 2008, 11:12 AM) *
I'd be happy if they put like a ten minute CG short with how they would do Unicron on the TF2 DVD/Blu-Ray...

Simply because it would look totally awesome

No it wouldn't.

Unless you had ten years to watch it happen.


I didn't say he would be a planet. I said how they would do Unicron. They would be insane to make him a planet.
Bestimus Mucho
For the love of god and all that is holy to this we say NO!
Kurosaki Ichigo
I could see it if Unicron were the name given to a character like The Fallen or Sunstorm, mainly because Unicron sounds better than either of those.
Teh INTERNETS ^_^
No planet gobbling planets plz
Rodimus VTS
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Feb 28 2008, 04:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Zombie Rodimus @ Feb 28 2008, 12:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Soundwinder @ Feb 28 2008, 11:48 AM) *
Eh, maybe... but I can't think of a way to make him work. Especially without the Matrix or Primus (replaced with the [destroyed] Allspark), he can't work in the traditional sense.

And I don't think they'd be able to pull off a planet-former in live-action. And after seeing the failure that was Galactus in the second Fantastic Four movie (which really should've been a lot easier to pull off than Unicron), I don't want to see them try and fail miserably.


Ah, but ILM weren't doing the special effects for FF2. Really, he's just as easy to pull of as any of the TFs - easier, since he's just a big ball - only bigger. Scale is the only thing I can think of, and I don't think that's really a big problem, you could as easily make Prime appear larger in the digital editing stage. So him as a special effect isn't the problem.

I can at least think of one way to make Uni work in the movie continuity: just as the Allspark is the creator of life, so Unicron is, quite simply, the bringer of death. He appears on the edge of the Solar System, detected by Sector 7 (or whoever) who literally refer to the giant ball apparently propelling itself through the galaxy in defiance of normal physical laws as 'the sphere'. Optimus Prime explains that it's supposed to just be a legend - an evil force known as the chaos bringer which acts as the opposite of the Allspark, draining life from all living things it encounters - even worlds. Unicron could then draw the dead Decepticons from the bottom of the ocean and resurrect them as zombie robots to create chaos and prevent the world from preparing for him to devour it, forcing the Autobots to fight against the revived 'cons whilst also working to find a way to, if not repel, turn back Unicron.

In the end Optimus Prime uses the Allspark fragment to create a very familiar looking 'matrix', a weapon of pure life energy that it is thought may be able to damage Unicron. Only one problem - the matrix's energy must be unleashed long before Unicron arrives, as his gravity will wipe the Earth clean of all life long before he approaches to devour it. Prime plans to take the matrix into space himself, but at that moment, Megatron (or Galvatron, depending where we go with this) attacks and he is forced to stand and fight. A young autobot warrior (Bumblebee or Hot Rod, again it depends) takes the matrix and leaves in the huge space ship built with cybertronian technology to reach Unicron. As he nears Unicron, out by Jupiter, the Autobot attempts to land on Unicron, but Unicron's weapons make it nearly impossible. In the chaos he accidentally unleashes part of the Matrix's power, which reformats the space ship into an Autobot - Omega Supreme! Omega keeps Unicron distracted as the Autobot looks for a way in, and it's as a result of this that Unicron transforms. Finally the Autobot fights his way into Unicron's head, and there (potentially after a battle with a newly activated TF who resembles Galvatron and serves as a method of communication between Unicron and 'lesser' beings) unleashes the power of the Matrix.

Finally, as a blinding explosion in the sky is seen from the Earth, it is thought the Autobot and the Omega Supreme shuttle are both lost. However, days later that Autobot returns to Earth, changed - he is now Rodimus Prime (or Goldbug, whatever)! Omega Supreme also survives and both vow to protect the Earth against cosmic threats any way they can.

...at least that's how I'd do it. Unicron threatening Earth rather than Cybertron is obvious, really, since Cybertron is already dead in the continuity.

But - if I understand gravity correctly - Unicron as a planet large enough to eat other planets couldn't get very close to Earth without some devastating effect anyway. Like so many Transformer elements, it's just an idea that works in a kid's cartoon, but not in a live action film.

Beyond the Allspark, I'm not interested in the Movies exploring the origins of the Cybertronians or their mythology beyond the sort of vagueness the Allspark had in part one. I'm interested in their attack on, and defense of, Earth. Period.


Well actually you are assuming that it would litterally eat the mass of the planets. If it took sustenance from the energy expelled while the planet is in it's death throws then Unicron could be as small as the moon, or any other small celestial object.
SIEGE
No, not without some extensive changes to the character. At that point it ceases to be a transforming planet and renders the point of having him on the screen moot.
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