Doctor Stupid
Feb 17 2008, 09:04 AM
It's 1933 Germany all over again....(referring to bold underlined part)
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/film/story/2008/02/...film-koran.html QUOTE
Iranian officials have formally demanded the Dutch government stop the screening of a film in the Netherlands about the Qur’an that was produced by a politician.
The film, its title still under wraps, is by Dutch member of parliament Geert Wilders, who says his film shows the Muslim holy book as something that motivates people to murder.
'It's like a walk through the Qur'an.'�"Politican and filmmaker Geert Wilders
The Iranian justice minister, Gholam Hussein Elham, wrote to his Dutch counterpart, Ernst Hirsch Ballin, calling for a ban. He urged Ballin to prevent this "provocative and satanic act on the basis of European Convention on Human Rights.
"We must not allow the freedom of speech … to be used as a cover for assaulting the sensibilities, and exalted moral and religious values which are respected by all of humanity," Elham said in the letter.
The Dutch government has refused to intervene. At the same time, it also has plans for an emergency evacuation of its nationals and diplomats from the Middle East should the Wilders film be shown.
"It's like a walk through the Qur'an," said Wilders, describing his 10-minute film to the Guardian newspaper in an interview published Sunday.
"My intention is to show the real face of Islam. I see it as a threat. I'm trying to use images to show that what's written in the Koran is giving incentives to people all over the world."
The politician has said he has nothing against Muslims, just their faith. He has also argued that the Qur'an be outlawed in Holland, that immigration from Muslim countries be halted and that the building of new mosques be stopped.
May have to leave Netherlands
Wilders says he's in talks with four broadcasters and expects the film to air in the coming months.
He says he's been warned that he may have to leave the Netherlands for his own safety.
The case recalls another high-profile Dutch film, which angered Muslims.
An Islamic militant killed filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 over his film Submission, written by former Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi-Ali.
The film contends Islam condones violence against women. It told the fictional story of a Muslim woman, trapped in a violent marriage, who is raped by a relative and then punished for adultery.
The murder sparked a violent anti-Muslim backlash and forced Hirsi-Ali into hiding.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
Feb 17 2008, 09:20 AM
I hope they show it, I've been following this story for awhile now. What are they so worried about? hmm...
Proud infidel.
They need to get a f'cking clue. Killing people in todays times because they don't like/follow/believe in your stupid sh!t makes your belief a perfect target for the hatred it rightfully deserves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submission_%28film%29
Agent Zero
Feb 17 2008, 10:47 AM
Should the film be shown? Yes. Freedom of speech.
Should this politician get his way with persecuting the Muslim community of the Netherlands? No. That, to reiterate Slaughtermaster, reeks of 1933 Germany. So it's a mixed bag here.
Glue
Feb 17 2008, 02:47 PM
I'm sure this'll be productive for promoting peace and stability around the globe. Woo.
Doctor Stupid
Feb 17 2008, 05:48 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if the European governments are doing these things for kicks. I mean, sure, you can insult somebody under the pretext of freedom of speech, or censor certain things in the pretext of freedom of religion, but why start trouble like this other than the fact that they can?
The way I see it, both democracy and religion needs a kick in the head.
Glue
Feb 17 2008, 06:05 PM
By the right of free speech, I urge the Iranian government to get a clue, I urge Mr. Geert Wilders to get a life, and I urge the Netherlands to do a better job managing political issues.
Doctor Stupid
Feb 17 2008, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 17 2008, 07:05 PM)

By the right of free speech, I urge the Iranian government to get a clue, I urge Mr. Geert Wilders to get a life, and I urge the Netherlands to do a better job managing political issues.
I thought there were laws in Europe that persecute Mr. Geert's statements as hate speech. I mean, if you replace Islam, Mosque, and Muslim with Judaism, Synagogue, and Jew, you'd get the whole European region going for his throat.
Haggisjin
Feb 17 2008, 06:39 PM
Firstly, I'll just say I don't see why we automatically have to respect someone's religious beliefs any more than we have to respect someone who thinks that aliens are reading their mind.
That being said, this film is a monumentally stupid idea, motivated by obvious racism and xenophobia on the part of Wilder. It does nothing to help an already contentious issue, and there are far better ways to go about educating people about what the Qur'an says, like perhaps getting them to read it.
Asthaloth
Feb 17 2008, 07:23 PM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 18 2008, 02:39 AM)

That being said, this film is a monumentally stupid idea, motivated by obvious racism and xenophobia on the part of Wilder. It does nothing to help an already contentious issue, and there are far better ways to go about educating people about what the Qur'an says, like perhaps getting them to read it.
If people won't read their own religious book they damn well won't read someone else's.
Glue
Feb 18 2008, 12:32 AM
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Feb 17 2008, 07:23 PM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 18 2008, 02:39 AM)

That being said, this film is a monumentally stupid idea, motivated by obvious racism and xenophobia on the part of Wilder. It does nothing to help an already contentious issue, and there are far better ways to go about educating people about what the Qur'an says, like perhaps getting them to read it.
If people won't read their own religious book they damn well won't read someone else's.
Thought literacy rates were pretty low in the general populations in the Middle East. Can't find any clear general statistics, but not looking all that hard either.
Haggisjin
Feb 18 2008, 02:48 AM
QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 18 2008, 12:32 AM)

Thought literacy rates were pretty low in the general populations in the Middle East. Can't find any clear general statistics, but not looking all that hard either.

According to the CIA World Factbook, illiteracy in the "Arab states" is 19.8% amongst men, 41.1% amongst women. It states that the US literacy rate is 99%

, although a 1991 study stated (and a follow up study in 2006 agreed) that approximately 21-23% of American Adults were
functionally illiterate, which meant that they were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."
[source]
Lord Madhammer
Feb 18 2008, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 18 2008, 04:48 AM)

QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 18 2008, 12:32 AM)

Thought literacy rates were pretty low in the general populations in the Middle East. Can't find any clear general statistics, but not looking all that hard either.

According to the CIA World Factbook, illiteracy in the "Arab states" is 19.8% amongst men, 41.1% amongst women. It states that the US literacy rate is 99%

, although a 1991 study stated (and a follow up study in 2006 agreed) that approximately 21-23% of American Adults were
functionally illiterate, which meant that they were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."
[source]

and

100% to Haggis' earlier point. I don't think any religion should ever get a free pass, especially when it's been the claimed impetus behind some horrific acts of violence. But neither do I think that anyone has the right to stir up prejudice against any people group, even one that follows said religion. After all, most people (of any or no religion) just want to live their lives. This will not help with that.
Smooth Jazz
Feb 18 2008, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Feb 17 2008, 10:23 PM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 18 2008, 02:39 AM)

That being said, this film is a monumentally stupid idea, motivated by obvious racism and xenophobia on the part of Wilder. It does nothing to help an already contentious issue, and there are far better ways to go about educating people about what the Qur'an says, like perhaps getting them to read it.
If people won't read their own religious book they damn well won't read someone else's.
I've only read selected passages of the Qua'ran but from that little it seems that if people were to actually crack the thing open they'd find it speaks of tolerance. Then again, people would find the same thing out if they cracked open their Bibles so I guess you just have to ignore the parts that contradict your ignorant preconceptions.
*EDIT: Not "you" meaning anyone specifically, just people who bastardize their faith as an excuse to be an a-hole*
Doctor Stupid
Feb 18 2008, 09:59 AM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 18 2008, 03:48 AM)

QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 18 2008, 12:32 AM)

Thought literacy rates were pretty low in the general populations in the Middle East. Can't find any clear general statistics, but not looking all that hard either.

According to the CIA World Factbook, illiteracy in the "Arab states" is 19.8% amongst men, 41.1% amongst women. It states that the US literacy rate is 99%

, although a 1991 study stated (and a follow up study in 2006 agreed) that approximately 21-23% of American Adults were
functionally illiterate, which meant that they were not "able to locate information in text", could not "make low-level inferences using printed materials", and were unable to "integrate easily identifiable pieces of information."
[source]Is there another source? At this point, I find anything about the Middle East produced by an American agency questionable.
Lord Madhammer
Feb 18 2008, 11:21 AM
I don't believe that every American person, place or thing necessarily subscribes to the Bush administration's point of view.
Doctor Stupid
Feb 18 2008, 11:25 AM
So you're saying there are a lot of people who don't believe in fighting terrorism?
Lord Madhammer
Feb 18 2008, 11:32 AM
They're all waiting for 2009 when we'll finally have a Muslim president who will nuke us and then make us get socialized medicine to take care of the radiation poisoning.
Doctor Stupid
Feb 19 2008, 10:50 AM
Damn.....2009 is going to be a great year.
FREEFALLL666
Feb 23 2008, 07:12 AM
I have to get this outta my system. I keep reading this thread title as "IRAN URGES NEANDERTALS TO BAN QURAN"
Haggisjin
Feb 23 2008, 05:36 PM
Maybe that's why they became extinct! TEH TERRORISTS HATED THEIR FREEDOM!
Doctor Stupid
Feb 25 2008, 09:09 AM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Feb 23 2008, 06:36 PM)

Maybe that's why they became extinct! TEH TERRORISTS HATED THEIR FREEDOM!

What terrorists in their right mind would hated their freedom? They have more freedom than anybody in the world.
I'm not sure about you, but it seems like that there is a new wave of anti-semetic (I am referring to the Middle Easterners - they are semetics people, not just the Jews) pogrom going on in the form of attacking Muslims for their religion and beliefs, or in Geert's case, constructing a situation where if somebody's part of an "undesirable" group, they are automatically troublesome.
He proposes discriminating Muslims because in his mind, he can't eradicate his ideals that if you are different then you are not integratable - and this exclusion he is proposing is what will help keep his country pure and Danish. Sad, really.
Glue
Feb 25 2008, 11:55 AM
I think people just get on this kick of "our way of life is great, yours sucks", they get so into it it escalates into violence and then a complete downward spiral. A whole buncha people die and keep dying until everyone else finally decides maybe all that hoopla wasn't worth all those lives. And it's just been a long while since the last time masses have had to go through that realization. Too bad people can't just jump to the end without all the dying in between.
FREEFALLL666
Feb 25 2008, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 25 2008, 12:55 PM)

I think people just get on this kick of "our way of life is great, yours sucks", they get so into it it escalates into violence and then a complete downward spiral. A whole buncha people die and keep dying until everyone else finally decides maybe all that hoopla wasn't worth all those lives. And it's just been a long while since the last time masses have had to go through that realization. Too bad people can't just jump to the end without all the dying in between.
Sularias
Feb 29 2008, 10:35 AM
I think the Muslim world needs to learn to chill out a bit. I'm a Christian but does that mean I think anyone showing or viewing The Last Temptation of Christ should be killed? no I'll just opt not to see that particular film.
if Islam wants to be seen as a religion of peace then perhaps they should A: stop killing people B: condemn the crazies that do. and yeah I get that 90% of Muslims are probably ok folks, but you can bet if crazy Christians were out there blowing stuff up we'd be condemning it really vocally.
Glue
Feb 29 2008, 12:31 PM
QUOTE (Jacen @ Feb 29 2008, 10:35 AM)

if Islam wants to be seen as a religion of peace then perhaps they should A: stop killing people B: condemn the crazies that do. and yeah I get that 90% of Muslims are probably ok folks, but you can bet if crazy Christians were out there blowing stuff up we'd be condemning it really vocally.
I want to agree, and, for the most part, I do. Except..


Now, of course that's not bombing by Christians technically speaking. Except if you were a Muslim, raised exclusively in a Muslim nation, with a fairly low literacy/education rate, and constrained access to educational material, and constant media coverage , you might perceive an invasion by the US as a whole country of Christians flying over from the other side of the world and blowing stuff up.
And yeah, a lot of people have condemned it, or come as close to "condemnation" as dissent in the US can get. Plenty of them are Christians. But Christianity is not a notable pattern representative of those condemning it.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
Feb 29 2008, 01:08 PM
QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 29 2008, 12:31 PM)

Except if you were a Muslim, raised exclusively in a Muslim nation, with a fairly low literacy/education rate, and constrained access to educational material, and constant media coverage , you might perceive an invasion by the US as a whole country of Christians flying over from the other side of the world and blowing stuff up.
To add to that, if that country were Iran then you'd believe your country was number 1 in the world because your wacknutjob president says so. Than and your country has no "gay problem".
Lord Madhammer
Feb 29 2008, 01:22 PM
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Feb 29 2008, 03:08 PM)

QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 29 2008, 12:31 PM)

Except if you were a Muslim, raised exclusively in a Muslim nation, with a fairly low literacy/education rate, and constrained access to educational material, and constant media coverage , you might perceive an invasion by the US as a whole country of Christians flying over from the other side of the world and blowing stuff up.
To add to that, if that country were Iran then you'd believe your country was number 1 in the world because your wacknutjob president says so. Than and your country has no "gay problem".
You know, people are smarter than you think. It's borderline insulting to treat these people as though they're just sheep who will go along with whatever ridiculous BS their leader spews.
Hunter Rose
Feb 29 2008, 01:41 PM
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 01:22 PM)

QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Feb 29 2008, 03:08 PM)

QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 29 2008, 12:31 PM)

Except if you were a Muslim, raised exclusively in a Muslim nation, with a fairly low literacy/education rate, and constrained access to educational material, and constant media coverage , you might perceive an invasion by the US as a whole country of Christians flying over from the other side of the world and blowing stuff up.
To add to that, if that country were Iran then you'd believe your country was number 1 in the world because your wacknutjob president says so. Than and your country has no "gay problem".
You know, people are smarter than you think. It's borderline insulting to treat these people as though they're just sheep who will go along with whatever ridiculous BS their leader spews.

see pete - i thought he was making that analogy already.
Lord Madhammer
Feb 29 2008, 01:43 PM
oh irony, how you do mock us all
I.S.T.
Feb 29 2008, 01:47 PM
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:43 PM)

oh irony, how you do mock us all
Off-topic, but where in the hell did you get the "We go play hoop" image in your sig?
Glue
Feb 29 2008, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 01:22 PM)

You know, people are smarter than you think. It's borderline insulting to treat these people as though they're just sheep who will go along with whatever ridiculous BS their leader spews.

Lord Madhammer
Feb 29 2008, 02:09 PM
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Feb 29 2008, 03:47 PM)

QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:43 PM)

oh irony, how you do mock us all
Off-topic, but where in the hell did you get the "We go play hoop" image in your sig?
That's from Obama's highschool yearbook.
I.S.T.
Feb 29 2008, 02:12 PM
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 04:09 PM)

QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Feb 29 2008, 03:47 PM)

QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Feb 29 2008, 03:43 PM)

oh irony, how you do mock us all
Off-topic, but where in the hell did you get the "We go play hoop" image in your sig?
That's from Obama's highschool yearbook.
Looks like Denzel Washington to me...
ROSEDOGGYDOG
Feb 29 2008, 02:21 PM
I have the feeling that you took my post serious.
Tripredacus
Feb 29 2008, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (Glue @ Feb 25 2008, 11:55 AM)

I think people just get on this kick of "our way of life is great, yours sucks", they get so into it it escalates into violence and then a complete downward spiral. A whole buncha people die and keep dying until everyone else finally decides maybe all that hoopla wasn't worth all those lives. And it's just been a long while since the last time masses have had to go through that realization. Too bad people can't just jump to the end without all the dying in between.
Teh Crusades are still going on?
Asthaloth
Mar 2 2008, 11:57 AM
In a sense, I don't think we ever ended our bullshit wars for a moment.
We just got better at hiding them.
Direrose
Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM
Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.
Haggisjin
Mar 3 2008, 03:35 AM
QUOTE (Direrose @ Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM)

Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.

Uhh... because those noisy soundbite friendly Muslim rantings are so much more despicable than those noisy soundbite friendly Christian rantings...
Let's play the game where we selectively present only those hateful viewpoints that support our case!!
Ann Coulter "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"
Bailey Smith "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America) "Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."
Bob Dornan (Rep. R-CA) "Don't use the word 'gay' unless it's an acronym for 'Got Aids Yet'" David Trosch "Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. – Unless there is life there can be no murder." Fob James (Governor of Alabama) "A good butt-whipping and then a prayer is a wonderful remedy." Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) "If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it."
"Hear the word of the LORD, America, Punch-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!"
"You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, Outback-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!"
"American Veterans are to blame for the Punch takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!"
"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death." Gary Bauer (American Values) "We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics) "The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship."
"This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians." Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action) "When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
George Bush Sr. (President of the United States) "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." George W. Bush (President of the United States) "I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision."
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."
Henry Morris (Founder, Institute for Creation Research, died 2006) "When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."
J. B. Stoner (White Supremacist) (1924 - 2005) "We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS."
"AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Nemesis Primes, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out."
James Dobson (Focus on the Family) "Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."
"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."
"Today's children... They're damned. They're gone." James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America) "The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ." James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."*
*Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Admin. Responsible for National Policy regarding the Environment
Jay Grimstead (Coalition on Revival) "We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way." Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007) "We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself."
"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."
"The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being." Jesse Helms (Sen. R-NC) "The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."
"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."
"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."
"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches." Jimmy Swaggart (Jimmy Swaggart Ministries) "The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
"Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest."
"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory." John Ashcroft (Attorney General) "Civilized people, Muslims, Christians, and Jews, all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator." John Whitehead (Rutherford Institute) "The [Supreme] Court, by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions, merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion." Joseph McCarthy (1908 - 1957)(Sen. R-WI) "Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity." Joseph Morecraft (Chalcedon Presbyterian Church) "Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol." Joseph Scheidler (Pro-Life Action League) "I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure." Kay O'Connor (Kansas Senate Republican) "I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote." Laura Schlessinger "I want to coin a phrase here, and I don't mind help. What would be the communication version of "ethnic cleansing?" Because that's what in particular the homosexual activists try to do."
Lester Roloff (1914 - 1982)(Texas Homes for Wayward Youth) "Better a pink bottom than a black soul."**Roloff opened a chain of homes for "wayward" youth in the state of Texas; he was later jailed in 1973 and again in 1975 for child abuse due to the punitive punishment techniques used in his homes. He would have been finished had he not of been specifically given permision to re-open his homes by, you guessed it, Governor George W Bush. Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin “George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States, he was appointed by God.” Pat Buchanan (Presidential Candidate) "Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."
"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."
"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition) "The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers?"
"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."
"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals, the two things seem to go together."
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."
"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
"[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism – everything that the Bible condemns." Patrick Mahoney (Christian Defense Coalition) "It is deeply troubling to have an appointed, unelected commission remove an elected official from office [Judge Roy Moore, who erected the Ten Commandments monument outside of Alabama State Court House]. The Court of Judiciary has overturned an election and crushed the democratic process through their actions."* Paul Cameron "I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend."
"Homosexuality is a crime against humanity."
"Causes of homosexuality include: 'sex with animals'"*
"Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals."
*Paul Cameron was discharged from the American Psychological Association, the Nebraska Psychological Association, and the American Sociological Association due to his unethical practices and biased research regarding Homosexuals. His "research" has since been discredited by the scientific community; however his work is still referenced by many fundamentalist organizations as credible. Randall Terry (Operation Rescue) "I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."
"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like and if you have babies, you have babies."
"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."**It is interesting to note that Randell Terry's son is Gay Jerry Vines (Southern Baptist Convention) "They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl."
Rick Santorum (Sen. R-PA) "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [Gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything!" Robert Simonds (Citizens for Excellence in Education) "As the church watches from the sidelines, the ungodly elect atheists and homosexuals to school boards and legislatures to enact policies and laws that destroy our Christian children and discriminate against Christian families."
"Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected...Government and true Christianity are inseparable."
"We'll take away their power and their money. Money comes from students. We'll break their backs by taking 24 million kids out of the public schools." Robert T. Lee (Society for the Practical Establishment of the Ten Commandments) "Raising your children under Americanism or any other principles other than true Christianity is child abuse."
"You do not have the right to be wrong, regardless of what any man-made or demonic charter says."
"Democracy originated in the mind of a rational being who has the deepest hatred for God."
"Do you realize that the only thing that gives democracy existence is sin? The absence of democracy is perfect obedience to god."
"The best way to insure the earth is never over populated is for sensible and righteous governments to clear all forms of atheism and heresy." Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004)(President of the United States) "For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ." Rush Limbaugh
"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
"There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons... use them" Star Parker (Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education) "Anybody that believes in separation of church and state needs to leave right now." Tony Evans (Promise Keepers) "The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women." William Rehnquist (1924 - 2005) (Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court) "The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."
Michael Savage (Savage Nation) "Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."**Statement made on live national television I fully acknowledge that half of these may be complete fabrications or taken out of context. If that's true, it only really furthers my point. And please,
for the love of tacos, don't be stupid enough to quote the whole thing in a reply.
Lord Madhammer
Mar 3 2008, 05:01 AM
QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 3 2008, 05:35 AM)

"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
hawt
Hunter Rose
Mar 3 2008, 09:27 AM
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 3 2008, 05:01 AM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 3 2008, 05:35 AM)

"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
hawt

How did you know what i was doing this weekend??
Lord Madhammer
Mar 3 2008, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (Hunter Rose @ Mar 3 2008, 11:27 AM)

QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 3 2008, 05:01 AM)

QUOTE (Haggisjin @ Mar 3 2008, 05:35 AM)

"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
hawt

How did you know what i was doing this weekend??
I was trying to collect the offering when you got AIDS on it.
Glue
Mar 3 2008, 11:16 AM
QUOTE (Direrose @ Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM)

Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.

How does it improve the situation if we say the same stupid things about muslims that Iran says about Christians and Jews? Or should we kidnap and kill them too? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Ben Kingsley.
Asthaloth
Mar 3 2008, 11:39 AM
QUOTE (Glue @ Mar 3 2008, 07:16 PM)

QUOTE (Direrose @ Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM)

Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.

How does it improve the situation if we say the same stupid things about muslims that Iran says about Christians and Jews? Or should we
kidnap and kill them too? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Ben Kingsley.
Isn't that pretty much what we've been doing the last few hundred years?
Glue
Mar 3 2008, 11:51 AM
QUOTE (Asthaloth @ Mar 3 2008, 11:39 AM)

QUOTE (Glue @ Mar 3 2008, 07:16 PM)

QUOTE (Direrose @ Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM)

Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.

How does it improve the situation if we say the same stupid things about muslims that Iran says about Christians and Jews? Or should we
kidnap and kill them too? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Ben Kingsley.
Isn't that pretty much what we've been doing the last few hundred years?
Poor
Kingsley Gandhi spinnin' in his grave!
FREEDOM OF RELIGION'D
Lord Madhammer
Mar 3 2008, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Glue @ Mar 3 2008, 01:16 PM)

QUOTE (Direrose @ Mar 2 2008, 08:30 PM)

Geee.They are allow to say bad things about Christianity and christians.We won't go into saying what they say about Jews. They threaten and kill and kidnap them. They even say bad things about other people of the book so why shouldn't other do the same about their religion. Iran believes that there religion is the true religion like the crusades did when they invade the holy lands.

How does it improve the situation if we say the same stupid things about muslims that Iran says about Christians and Jews? Or should we kidnap and kill them too? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Ben Kingsley.
[nitpick]It drives me nuts when the "eye for an eye" thing is taken as a God Stamp Of Approval on retribution. It was written as part of a legal code -- it's a law outlawing punishment out of proportion to the offense being committed. (Not to mention the fact that Jesus' commentary on that idea is where "turn the other cheek" came from.)[/nitpick]
Haggisjin
Mar 3 2008, 08:22 PM
SELECTIVE RELIGION'D
Doctor Stupid
Jun 1 2008, 11:36 AM
I'm just surprised this Wilder guy is still in power.
Father Time
Jun 1 2008, 11:56 AM
QUOTE (Doctor Stupid @ Jun 1 2008, 03:36 PM)

I'm just surprised this Wilder guy is still in power.
He never was. He's just the leader of a self-named fringe political party.
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