The media has their own interests to look after... namely, their bottom line.

Why else is Hillary Clinton still being treated like a serious candidate?

They talk about so many republicans switching party affiliations in Pennsylvania last month I almost wonder if some republicans want to vote Hillary in because she'll be easier to take down in the election.

Him singing "Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran" to an old Beach Boys tune is frighteningly nonchalant for a guy who wants to be in charge of the world's most powerful military.

It's even scarier that there are people who would've thought it was funny.



Rush Limbaugh has been openly advocating for Republicans to do just that FWIW

And it has been happening, there are a bunch of people in Mississippi who switched from Republican to Democrat so they could vote for Clinton.

Only problem is, they didn't realize that switching party affiliation disallowed them for voting for GOP candidates down-ticket. HA HA RETARDS

I think its true that giving Hillary the nomination at this point is giving McCain the job of president.

Who the hell would vote for a candidate who stole the Democratic nomination?

I mean, besides old women

Glue?


Oh wait... yeah, you already covered him.

I'd vote for Frankenstein's balls if he had a D by his name at this point.

FIX'D (for me at least)
Which is why, come November, I'm going to suck it up and vote for McCain. Despite the fact that Willie Nelson is more of a Republican than he is. I'm not buying this ultra-conservative BS he's talking now, because that sure isn't his track record.

IMO McCain's biggest "why I should be president" thing is "I was in a POW camp bitches" but I still don't see how that qualifies you to be president and not just some old dude with PTSD.

I'd vote for Charles Manson if I thought he was going to stop p*ssing all our money away in Iraq.

Well, you're pretty spot on. I'm not what you would call your garden-variety conservative, there are several things I disagree with the Republican party on, (this is happening more and more these days). But to me it's the "lesser of two evils"...well, lesser of three evils in this case. IMO, the lesser is McCain.

Besides, if you're going to use each individual candidate's record as their case for qualification:

Hillary Clinton's biggest "why I should be president" thing is "I am the wife of a former President and I tried to do something with health care."

Barack Obama's biggest "why I should be president" thing is "I sure can talk fancy. Oh, and I'm black, won't it be neat to finally have one of us as President."

Neither of them have as long a tenure as Senator, nor have they accomplished as much in that position. Not that McCain's legislative record is awesome, just that it is more substantial.

Since I'm an Obama supporter, I have to throw my two cents in:

Talking fancy is a valuable skill if it motivates people to action... thus far it seems to be working for him, since he's beating one of the most famous Democrats (or people) alive and generating record turnout.

I also just happen to think he's the right person for the country at this time... we need reconciliation with ourselves and the rest of the world, and I don't think Clinton knows what the word means. (My God, the woman wants to nuke Iran if it nukes a non-NATO ally.) McCain... who knows what he's thinking. All I know is that I don't want his finger on the big red button either.

and I tend to lean Republican. But I think reconciliation is worth 4 to 8 years of tax policy I don't agree with. I like to think Obama can get us past this Red State vs. Blue State bullshit and send the message to the rest of the world that we're as sick of our current foreign policy as they are.

Yeah, I knew you were a Barack man, which is why I didn't go into my long list of reasons why I don't like the guy. (Don't feel bad, my list for Hillary is waaaaay longer). McCain may be a lot of things, but at least he seems honest (as opposed to the other two), and that's a characteristic that our Presidents seem to have been lacking for, oh, the last 16 years. I don't have to agree with the guy or support him 100%, that's what the other two branches of government are for.

Politics are funny because people who ordinarily would get along, or at least tolerate each other, can find themselves driven to disgust when they find out another person's beliefs. So I try to avoid political discussions unless they are in person (that way you can punch each other in the mouth and go have a beer together later.) Stupid ethereal internet existence.

To my mind, Clinton & McCain each represent eight of those sixteen years.

P.S.

This made me simultaneously roffle and eye-twitch

Well, you DID cut off the part about "compared to the other two candidates." They're, all three of them, politicians and by their very nature lying sacks of crap.

I think that's a bit glib, don't you? I mean, why bother voting then?

Not at all. I was making an honest comparison. I'm not saying John McCain is farging Honest Abraham Lincoln. Just, that, you know, of the three he seems the one least likely to run off with my camera if I ask him to take a picture of my wife and me standing in front of the Grand Canyon. I wouldn't trust any of them with my wallet.

Why bother voting?

Well, we can't NOT have a President. I might as well have some say in it, right?

or

If I don't vote, then if some douche I didn't want to win actually does, I don't have a right to complain.

or

Didn't you see that "Douche and Turd" episode of South Park?

I'm enough of a sucker to believe that Obama is the real deal, I guess... Not to say that he's perfect; he's just a regular person like everyone else. But I don't believe that he's made a career out of duplicity and mercenary pragmatism. (In this sense, I think his relative youth works in his favor.)

Any politician becomes answerable to the people who've donated to their campaign and/or fundraised on their behalf. The reality of Obama's campaign is that if he wins the election, the only people he's going to be beholden to are regular old American citizens. That's where the "I don't take lobbyist money" rubber meets the road IMO.

Yeah but then he would declare war on Arizona or something.

I really wish people could get beyond this crap of "I don't like this person for reasons X, Y, and Z" or "So-and-so is too old/a liar/seems honest/whatever." You can try to turn it into a popularity contest if that's what you want, but we're not going to get anywhere until people start voting on the issues.

Regardless of the outcome it's going to come down to a decision between two POLICIES, not two PERSONALITIES. If you think we're better off taking our tax money and investing it in foreign wars, vote for option A. If you think we're better off reinvesting that money in our own economy, vote for option B.

It doesn't matter if the person who decides is a serial rapist or the nicest guy in the world, IMO. I'm more interested in what they'll do in office than what they do in their spare time.

I like Option B... does that mean I have to vote for Ross Perot?

Policy positions don't mean dick unless you can sell them.

And you can sell a policy position you don't hold to when elected. Personality plays a big role in a voter deciding which candidates will attempt to live up to their promises and which are telling you what you want to hear to get your vote.

It's not a perfect system, but it's the best we have.

My favorite policy position is number 34 in the Kamasutra

IMO McCain =/= Bush. McCain might actually give two whits about the economy and realize that "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution" does not mean "ignore the Constitution and waggle my EXECYOOTIV DOODLE around instead".

Bush was all the things I don't like about conservativism (legislating a moral perception instead of balancing rights, gunboat diplomacy) with none of the good things (fiscal responsibility, small gov't). McCain is all the things I like about conservativism and barely a few I don't (a bit too war-happy for me but still a huge step up). All this is, again, IMO.

I'm a Barack man myself too, but I don't find McCain objectionable and I feel that no matter what happens in November the country's going to get a lot better in January.

IT WON'T DIE

*ahem*

That is to say, Clinton won Pennsylvania by 10 points... a significant enough margin for her to keep going.

Of course, even if she had lost, I think she would have kept going.

That means my state is finally important. YAY!

Mine too!!!! Yay!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm afraid happy to say that she is going to be in it for the long-haul. Like, all the way to the DNC in Denver.

I have to admit, part of me would be fascinated to see a political convention that's an actual political convention and not a carefully staged bit of theater.

I think Obama's two options at this point are:

a) bite the bullet and select HRC as his running mate (if she accepts)

or

b) pick Kathleen Sebelius as his running mate to get HRC's demographic advantages with none of the baggage

I prefer B

I think the only way to get everyone together is to have the two on a ticket one way or another.

*in before Hillary is t3h devil speeches

Maybe I'm just saying this because I'm not a fan of Hillary, but to me what makes Hillary appealing is

a) her last name

and

b) her gender

I would love nothing more than to move on from the Clinton... thing. And it would also be great to have a woman on the ticket who didn't have more baggage than Samsonite.

all true statements


I really would like to see a woman in either the vice presidency or presidency, same goes for a black man. I guess to me that would prove that the equality movements in the 60s have finally come to the top of all things, not that I don't think they're mostly there anyway.


Sadly I was with an older guy that does some printing for us yesterday and he was saying "I'm voting for Mcain cause I don't want to vote for a woman or a N!@@3R Ha Ha" So maybe we aren't all as enlightened as I would imagine.

Why he thought I'd appreciate or share his sentiment, I don't know.



as for Hillary vs. Obama frankly I think they both have some great ideas and some really terrible ones (the terrible ones mostly include that class warfare "lets take those profits..." kind of things" McCain is just too down with the current state of things for me to ever consider.

Silly me, and I was thinking that in these "enlightened" times, gender or race really...shouldn't...matter.

Of course, I'm not naive enough to think that they don't. But I don't think they should have anything to do with an individual's qualifications to run for public office.

"I'm voting for him because he's black/she's a woman" is just as retarded as "I ain't a-votin' for no negro/broad."

I'm not voting for Obama because he's black... I'm voting for him because he's white LOLOLOLOL

FWIW, I'm not that big a fan of the Clinton presidency. IMO He wasn't that great, did some pretty bad and stupid things, and I'm not talking about getting a dreamsicle from a chick with big hair.

I think he was extremely fortunate to have

a) been President during a relative economic upturn (which his policies did help, I'll admit)
and
b) to have had his presidency framed by Reagan/Bush Sr on one side and Bush Jr on the other.


BTW, whenever I hear "samsonite" I always think of some biblical Phillistine version of Lex Luthor

He totally reminds me of Dave Chappelle's impression of a white dude.

Hey, I have just as much ethnic claim to him as black folks...

BUT THAT MESSES WITH MY PERCEPTION OF RACIAL BOUNDARIES!

Luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter.

*pokes Haggisjin's shoulder*

Ya know, there's quite a bit of wisdom we can take from that little green muppet.

"Around the survivors a perimeter create!"

So McCain is going to have an easy time being elected president.

Perhaps its already been predicted!

http://www.apocalypse2012.com/home/

The election is over six months away... he might not be alive by then

Oh yeah, huh?

Well, he WOULD be the oldest man ever to be sworn into the office of president (73...Regan was a month shy of 70 when he took office).

perhaps its more important who the Republican Vice President would be.