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Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 4 2008, 12:18 PM) *
QUOTE
On the local conservative radio stations, many Republicans are calling and complaining about feeling “disenfranchised”.

Apparently, they didn’t realize that by implementing Rush Limbaugh’s strategy of voting for Hillary in the Primaries to prolong the Democrats fist-fight, they would not be allowed to vote for any of the Republicans on the rest of the ballot.


D'oh!

Source.

LOLLERSKATES
Jerrod
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 4 2008, 12:33 PM) *
McCain likes himself some Whataburger?

LA needs a Whataburger.

Weren't you going to open a White Castle franchise here once? In San Antonio, that is?
ROSEDOGGYDOG
If Washington ever got an In-N-Out I don't know what I'd do but once I did it then I'd go get in line and order a doubledouble and be full of happieness.
Lord Madhammer
Texas needs Portillo's and Cheeburger Cheeburger.

That is all.
Jerrod
I've recently eaten at SA's lone, bizzare, truck-stop-attached Carl's Jr. Man, that Six Dollar Burger and Cap'n Crunch shake is some tasty fast food.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Jerrod @ Mar 4 2008, 10:47 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 4 2008, 12:33 PM) *
McCain likes himself some Whataburger?

LA needs a Whataburger.

Weren't you going to open a White Castle franchise here once? In San Antonio, that is?

optimuslaugh2.gif I don't recall that specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if I'd toyed with the idea.
Jerrod
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 4 2008, 01:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Jerrod @ Mar 4 2008, 10:47 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 4 2008, 12:33 PM) *
McCain likes himself some Whataburger?

LA needs a Whataburger.

Weren't you going to open a White Castle franchise here once? In San Antonio, that is?

optimuslaugh2.gif I don't recall that specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if I'd toyed with the idea.

No matter. We've got us a Krystal, which serves the tiny burgers the exact same way. The woman doesn't like it, but I can eat a sackful of those bad boys. thumbsup1.gif
sertile
Jesus, I really hope this isn't true...



"Questions Raised Whether Hillary Ad Darkened Obama"

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A controversial new Hillary Clinton attack ad is causing an Internet stir among critics who claim it deliberately darkens Barack Obama’s skin color.

A posting on the liberal site DailyKos.com shows side-by-side screen grabs of Barack Obama taken during a debate with Clinton in Cleveland last week. The screen grab used in the Clinton ad shows a clearly darker-skinned Obama, prompting some to wonder if it was done to highlight his race.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/04/qu...darkened-obama/
Lord Madhammer
"It was my understanding that there would be no math..."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240
DarkNarcoleptic
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 4 2008, 12:55 PM) *
Cheeburger Cheeburger.

Word. That place is delicious.

Though we just got a Five Guys Burgers and Fries, so I dunno- it's pretty dang tasty.

There's not any way Hillary can still win, is there?
Lord Madhammer
click link
DarkNarcoleptic
D'oh'd
Lord Madhammer
They're calling Vermont for Obama...
Hobbes-timus Prime
...and they seem to be calling all the other states for Hillary, which seems to put us right back to where we were yesterday, in terms of how many delegates they have separating them.

clap.gif Hooray for back to where we started!
DarkNarcoleptic
Hooray for mediocrity!
Lord Madhammer
John McCain is going to win the election. There's no way that Clinton can catch Obama, and there's no way that she will drop out.
Emperor Megatron
Obama needs to turn his campaign around though. Clinton has been viciously attacking him and it shows with the results from yesterday. He needs to start coming forth and clarify some things and actually say something other than "change" to get people to vote.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?
SkyClonus
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?


Yup. Iowa doesn't count because it is a caucus state. Can you tell I'm a little bitter? redface2tf.gif
Hobbes-timus Prime
*shakes fist*

You damn caucuses! This is all your fault!
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?

Them and Florida and Michigan...

The thing is, with a joint ticket, all of these "I'm better in ______ states" arguments are nullified because they'd both be on the ticket anyway. So it would come down to who's got the lead in the popular vote and delegates...

HOWEVER, there is a strong likelihood that if Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, a lot of Obama supporters will say "fuck this" and stay home. One thing this election has shown is that Obama's supporters are more supportive of him than of the Democratic party per se; the opposite has been true for Clinton.
SkyClonus
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 10:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?

Them and Florida and Michigan...

The thing is, with a joint ticket, all of these "I'm better in ______ states" arguments are nullified because they'd both be on the ticket anyway. So it would come down to who's got the lead in the popular vote and delegates...

HOWEVER, there is a strong likelihood that if Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, a lot of Obama supporters will say "Powerglide this" and stay home. One thing this election has shown is that Obama's supporters are more supportive of him than of the Democratic party per se; the opposite has been true for Clinton.


agree.gif

I'll be voting for McCain if Clinton is on the ticket...
DarkNarcoleptic
Yeah...I'm pretty sure I want to stay far away from Hillary, in every regard.
Hobbes-timus Prime
I'm not convinced I'd vote McCain over Obama/Clinton. I would over Clinton/Obama.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 10:12 AM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 10:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?

Them and Florida and Michigan...

The thing is, with a joint ticket, all of these "I'm better in ______ states" arguments are nullified because they'd both be on the ticket anyway. So it would come down to who's got the lead in the popular vote and delegates...

HOWEVER, there is a strong likelihood that if Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, a lot of Obama supporters will say "Powerglide this" and stay home. One thing this election has shown is that Obama's supporters are more supportive of him than of the Democratic party per se; the opposite has been true for Clinton.


agree.gif

I'll be voting for McCain if Clinton is on the ticket...

It'll be hard to say what will happen, though. Clearly Clinton would have no problem using Obama to get votes, but if Obama isn't just bullshitting us all (and indications so far are that he hasn't been), he's not been that interested in political expediency as a path to victory. So if all the Democratic people got together at the convention and were like "okay Obama, you'll be the nominee but Clinton has to be your running mate," I honestly wonder how he would respond.
Hobbes-timus Prime
I would also vote McCain over this scenario.
Wildling
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 11:18 AM) *
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 10:12 AM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 10:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
“But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?

Them and Florida and Michigan...

The thing is, with a joint ticket, all of these "I'm better in ______ states" arguments are nullified because they'd both be on the ticket anyway. So it would come down to who's got the lead in the popular vote and delegates...

HOWEVER, there is a strong likelihood that if Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, a lot of Obama supporters will say "Powerglide this" and stay home. One thing this election has shown is that Obama's supporters are more supportive of him than of the Democratic party per se; the opposite has been true for Clinton.


agree.gif

I'll be voting for McCain if Clinton is on the ticket...

It'll be hard to say what will happen, though. Clearly Clinton would have no problem using Obama to get votes, but if Obama isn't just bullBlotting us all (and indications so far are that he hasn't been), he's not been that interested in political expediency as a path to victory. So if all the Democratic people got together at the convention and were like "okay Obama, you'll be the nominee but Clinton has to be your running mate," I honestly wonder how he would respond.


Well, based on what he's been saying so far, his response should be a prettied up "Powerglide you".
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Captain Canuck @ Mar 5 2008, 10:32 AM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 11:18 AM) *
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 10:12 AM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 10:05 AM) *
QUOTE (Hobbes-timus Prime @ Mar 5 2008, 10:00 AM) *
QUOTE (Hillary)
€œBut of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Because they're the only ones who count?

Them and Florida and Michigan...

The thing is, with a joint ticket, all of these "I'm better in ______ states" arguments are nullified because they'd both be on the ticket anyway. So it would come down to who's got the lead in the popular vote and delegates...

HOWEVER, there is a strong likelihood that if Obama picks Clinton as his running mate, a lot of Obama supporters will say "Powerglide this" and stay home. One thing this election has shown is that Obama's supporters are more supportive of him than of the Democratic party per se; the opposite has been true for Clinton.


agree.gif

I'll be voting for McCain if Clinton is on the ticket...

It'll be hard to say what will happen, though. Clearly Clinton would have no problem using Obama to get votes, but if Obama isn't just bullBlotting us all (and indications so far are that he hasn't been), he's not been that interested in political expediency as a path to victory. So if all the Democratic people got together at the convention and were like "okay Obama, you'll be the nominee but Clinton has to be your running mate," I honestly wonder how he would respond.


Well, based on what he's been saying so far, his response should be a prettied up "Powerglide you".

Honestly, I would go "AMERICA F*CK YEAH!!" if he did that.
SkyClonus
With Obama as Veep...
Glue
Oh gee. No one saw any of this coming like.. last year or anything.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Glue @ Mar 5 2008, 10:52 AM) *
Oh gee. No one saw any of this coming like.. last year or anything.

The Obama campaign did... their national strategy thingy, which got leaked to the press last year, has predicted accurately every single outcome to date, with the exception of Maine (they thought Clinton would win that state).
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 08:54 AM) *
QUOTE (Glue @ Mar 5 2008, 10:52 AM) *
Oh gee. No one saw any of this coming like.. last year or anything.

The Obama campaign did... their national strategy thingy, which got leaked to the press last year, has predicted accurately every single outcome to date, with the exception of Maine (they thought Clinton would win that state).

optimuslaugh2.gif Shows what they know. 'Tards.
Jerrod
This whole thing smells of that special kind of hubris that simmers for weeks and weeks, allowing the downtrodden side time to polarize and assemble their troops...
Glue
Ahh. So then the Obama campaign should't be shocked or surprised by any of this. smiletf.gif
Jerrod
Let's put it this way: Obama had the momentum and the national networks were getting their "Hillary Concedes" graphic packages ready for the last two weeks...and Obama couldn't pull the trigger, so to speak. Now all that momentum means squat, and his refusal to play "dirty" looks like a mistake. The 24-hour News Cycle giveth and taketh away.

If he couldn't close out Clinton, there are doubts, naturally, about his ability to take down McCain.
Lord Madhammer
A very good point was made last night... what we aren't seeing is so much the playing out of an election drama, but merely the primary schedule. Some states are going to go for one candidate, some states for another. Which ones go for whom, and where they fall in the schedule, account for much of the up and down of this race. In other words, it's largely a false narrative. The same voting blocks tend to vote for the same candidate, no matter what state they are in.
Emperor Megatron
QUOTE (Jerrod @ Mar 5 2008, 01:47 PM) *
Let's put it this way: Obama had the momentum and the national networks were getting their "Hillary Concedes" graphic packages ready for the last two weeks...and Obama couldn't pull the trigger, so to speak. Now all that momentum means squat, and his refusal to play "dirty" looks like a mistake. The 24-hour News Cycle giveth and taketh away.

If he couldn't close out Clinton, there are doubts, naturally, about his ability to take down McCain.

I'm not a fan of dirty politics or fear mongering like what Clinton has been doing the last week. She's ambitious and is desperate and so she is doing this. Obama still has the delegate lead and will most likely continue to have it unless Clinton manages to pull off wins around 70% and I don't see that happening.

What Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time. That could have hurt him this week as well. People might be sick of hearing "we can change the world" and actually want to hear about some of these changes he keeps talking about. If Obama wins the nomination and is elected as President, he has a lot to prove.

Also, let's not forget that Edwards still has his delegates IIRC. Should he choose to side with Obama, I would have to say that it's all over for Clinton and vice versa. Personally, I think an Obama/Edwards ticket would be great but I doubt that'll happen.
Hobbes-timus Prime
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 01:27 PM) *
What Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time. That could have hurt him this week as well. People might be sick of hearing "we can change the world" and actually want to hear about some of these changes he keeps talking about.


Vote the Goddam Issues, or I Will Release the Robot Bees Prematurely.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time.

This drives me up the wall. If you guys would listen to what he's actually saying in his much-maligned speeches (as if there's some other way to communicate your ideas to people), you'll find quite a few policy prescriptions.

Maybe he should be using semaphore or Morse code...
SkyClonus
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 03:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time.

This drives me up the wall. If you guys would listen to what he's actually saying in his much-maligned speeches (as if there's some other way to communicate your ideas to people), you'll find quite a few policy prescriptions.

Maybe he should be using semaphore or Morse code...


But, but, but, it's easier to just go with his public perception and stuffs!
Jerrod
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 03:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 03:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time.

This drives me up the wall. If you guys would listen to what he's actually saying in his much-maligned speeches (as if there's some other way to communicate your ideas to people), you'll find quite a few policy prescriptions.

Maybe he should be using semaphore or Morse code...


But, but, but, it's easier to just go with his public perception and stuffs!

Let's not forget, it was public perception that kick-started his candidacy. A rousing speech from a junior Senator at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that made that year's candidate out to be a boring placeholder, anyone?
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Jerrod @ Mar 5 2008, 03:51 PM) *
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 03:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 03:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time.

This drives me up the wall. If you guys would listen to what he's actually saying in his much-maligned speeches (as if there's some other way to communicate your ideas to people), you'll find quite a few policy prescriptions.

Maybe he should be using semaphore or Morse code...


But, but, but, it's easier to just go with his public perception and stuffs!

Let's not forget, it was public perception that kick-started his candidacy. A rousing speech from a junior Senator at the 2004 Democratic National Convention that made that year's candidate out to be a boring placeholder, anyone?

I remember thinking at the time, "um, can I vote for that guy instead...?"
Jerrod
That should be "soon-to-be junior Senator," but you get the drift. Kerry never stood a chance, especially when he wouldn't stop windsurfing.
SkyClonus
I wouldn't exactly say that speech kickstarted his candidacy...until he won in Iowa, his candidacy wasn't really taken seriously.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Moose And Squirrel @ Mar 5 2008, 04:03 PM) *
I wouldn't exactly say that speech kickstarted his candidacy...until he won in Iowa, his candidacy wasn't really taken seriously.

Well, as seriously as Bill Richardson's, or Christopher Dodd's, or Joe Biden's...


yeah
Lord Madhammer
Damn. This actually makes a hell of a lot of sense.

http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives...aclinton-08.php
SkyClonus
It does make some good points... redface2tf.gif
DarkNarcoleptic
Hillary Clinton = America's Margaret Thatcher?
Emperor Megatron
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Mar 5 2008, 03:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Emperor Megatron @ Mar 5 2008, 03:27 PM) *
Obama needs to do is focus more on the issues and give some details and make a stance instead of saying "change" all the time.

This drives me up the wall. If you guys would listen to what he's actually saying in his much-maligned speeches (as if there's some other way to communicate your ideas to people), you'll find quite a few policy prescriptions.

Maybe he should be using semaphore or Morse code...

I actually read the PDF document that's on his site so I do know what he wants to change/do when in office. However, I am terrible at following the 'speeches' by the candidates apparently. I know he has plans on what he wants to accomplish but it's not getting out there for the public, the only thing we know about is 'change'. Hopefully his TV and Radio ads are getting this stuff out there. When MN had its caucuses I saw a lot of Obama ads and they were all about 'change' and didn't go into specifics. Granted you can't do much but you can say more than just 'change' right?
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