Ahh yes, how silly of me to believe my own two eyes people I've known in real life..

FYI I might lock this thread on Saturday after Hillary concedes, just because I need closure.

Of course, she might not concede and I'll have to do this

But then one of us will eventually just start the "General Election" thread, and it will all begin anew. I say you edit the title of this thread to "Presidential Election: The Current Crap starts around page 161" and call it wonderful. Lock it in November.

Well, that was my thought, to start a general election thread after this one was done... but maybe I'm just a gheybo

I vote for pushing the reset button.

Didn't Obama announce his VP? someone named Bill Rich from New Mexico? or am i imagining stuff again...

=

Bill Richardson endorsed Obama a while back, but no VP selection has been made yet.

Plz no to Bill Richardson...

I seriously doubt it.

My bet is on another nu-school politician, i.e. not someone of the Clinton era.

Obama, Clinton Pwn Press; Lolz Ensue

at least that'd be my headline

They met at Dianne Feinstein's house in DC last night, by themselves. The way they managed that is by getting the press corps on Obama's plane, thinking that Obama was flying back to Chicago... only he wasn't on the plane and the press found themselves flying across the Mid-Atlantic while Obama went off to talk with Clinton.

PWND

Like herding sheep...oh wait, that's me and all the Obama supporters.

I still think it would be a bad idea to add her as vp. she just doesn't know how to play 2nd fiddle.

You and everybody else... it ain't gonna happen.

Plus, to be honest... it's not like Vice President is the only other position of power in a presidential administration, and often it's not much more than a ceremonial post. Secretary of State, Attorney General, Chief of Staff, National Security Advisor, etc.... those are real jobs. But people get fixated on the VP slot like it would really mean anything more than what the president wanted it to mean.

But yeah, how do you run for president with the Clintons (cause you know it would be both of them) as your running mates? I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

I could see her as Sec. of State, w/ Edwards as AG...

Read somewhere of appointing her to the Supreme Court. That's crazy talk.

that is the worst idea I've ever heard.

Seriously, she has zero judicial experience and that thought alone would sink the candidacy of anyone who supported the idea. My God, she's already like the Antichrist to people on the right, and with the Supreme Court being their Holy Grail... could you imagine

Face melting?

Interesting bit of "what-if" reporting today... Dan Rostenkowski (former US Rep from Illinois) had apparently urged Hillary Clinton to run for the Senate in Illinois in 2000... which would have pre-empted Obama from winning the seat in 2004, which would...

coulda shoulda woulda, I guess

ELSEWORLDS'D

That's what happens when your home state is one of 10 in the Union.

Illinois would have made the most sense to me... she's got roots there unlike New York, which just seemed to be a play for national prominence.

If Clinton were to get the VP nod and by some way the ticket just happen to pull a fast one into the Presidency, what would stop Clinton from trying to become President still?...

Clintons=Dastardly people.

lol, I like how you discount the possibility of Obama actually winning legitimately

funny how you ask that but not about the other.

*Dr. Evil pinkie laugh*

the other? meaning Clinton on the ticket?

Like I said, it's not gonna happen. But don't let me stop you from obsessing about them.

RDD, like all conservatives hate the clintons because somehow they still have libidos...

Well, it's clear conservatives are only okay with other conservatives having sex.

I think it's because they were successful.

sorry let me clarify for those who missed it and somehow got to talking about sex...

Who would be surprised to see Clinton, if on the ticket and somehow-someway makes it into the whitehouse, do something that takes Obama from being President? It doesn't have to be outright assassination but it could be political assassination. This is a woman who's only goal is to be #1 not #2. Obama being president stops that dead in her tracks.

Myself, I would not be surprised at all.

*edit*
my weak spellingz skillz

ok... but its kinda a non-issue.

And you know - i woulda thought the same thing about Cheney too. (behind the scenes'D)

I think conspiracy theories like this are kinda silly. If she wanted to be president, she would just do what anyone else does and try to get on the ticket as VP. Either that or give herself 4-8 more years in the Senate; either way, she gets to add to her resume. It wouldn't require any mustache-twirling secret evilness or anything.

I think Cheney disproves the idea that VPs are merely ceremonial...

Yeah, in order to be President, the best thing she could do would be to be VP. This is the first election since most if not all of us were born that neither the incumbent President nor Vice President is not on the ballot, which says to me that it is the norm and would make her the de facto nominee for 2016.

so much for me bothering to add nuance to my posts

next time I'll just say BUSH R DUM

Funny how she in compared to Obama has a resume and it didn't really work in her favor.



*Al Gore'd*

Conservatives hate Hillary? Despite how bitter a good amount of the right are, there are some who sincerely like her. Just as there were female Republicans who crossed party lines to vote for her. There are probably at least as many on the far left who hate her just as much (or maybe 2/3rds as much -- the hatred from some people on the right is just unmatched by anything).

WHOA! I am conservative. I don't "hate" anyone. I don't have any problem with sex. I don't care that willy got head in the white house. and I certainly think there is just as much rampant hatred from far lefters as therw is from far righters.

now. I don't agree with any of hillaries policies or methods. and I'm not sold on which way to vote until I see some debates and policy comparisons. but I do think that if Hills could drum up some dirt on Barack she would.

Ahh, my apologies. I took your opposition towards her to be based on personal like/dislike for her and not her positions on issues (which seem pretty much the same as Obama's). Opposing a candidate based on their political positions and stances I fully respect.

FYI, Obama has held elected office longer than Clinton has.

Not that I can really follow the direction of your thought here. It just seems to be random zingers based on whatever comes to mind.

Yeah, but her husband was teh prezident and important and stuff!


.... and she's a totally self-made independent woman who's not riding on the success of any man


[random internet zinger] And if she couldn't take care of Bill's needs and 3 am how could she take care of the country's? If she had taken a few more sniper shots from Bill he never would've been impeached! [/random internet zinger]


*disclaimer: above zinger's are not mine. Actually comments I've read on various blogs over the primary season (paraphrased because my memory sucks) *

And yet, she's spent more time in the national arena and dealing with its politics (even elected!).

So has Laura Bush!

Actually no, Laura Bush hasn't. Clinton has been in the national arena as a US senator after being first lady.

His point (I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Pete) is that Laura Bush has had more time in the national arena than Obama, but you wouldn't consider her more electable than him based on that experience, would you? So why factor that same experience into Hillary's resume?

Well, because Laura Bush isn't running and her political activity as first lady has not been as vigorous as Hillary's. My point is that if people despise Hillary's tactics of making incorrect statements, as they claim, they should want to avoid succumbing to the same -- that means making their criticisms against her fair and accurate rather than just mindlessly discounting those years because she wasn't "really" elected for some of them.

Don't treat it like a semantic argument, it's not. First lady is not an elected office. It has powers and benefits to it that allow the First Lady to engage in some political activity - most of it domestic - but it is not the same as holding an elected office.

No one is denying Hillary did some good things during her time as First Lady, and that she likely gained some tremendous insight into the process, but Obama wasn't exactly playing video games during Clinton's years in the Oval Office - he spent the majority of those terms working as an actual elected official at the state level. His time spent as an actual elected official outweighs hers. Period.

Period, nothing. And that's entirely subjective. If being elected matters that much to you, then that's great for you. Frankly, with her level of activity, I do think her first lady-hood was more useful when it comes to national politics than any elected office at the state level, except for perhaps governor. That's not a knock against Obama's time before the US Senate or against what I think he's capable of achieving as President.