Both Obama and Huckabee have gotten +35% of the vote so far... Huckabee is leading Romney by 12 points, Obama is leading Edwards and Clinton by 4/5 points (Edwards has a slight edge over Clinton)...
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I was watching huckabee on Jay Leno last night
I think he would be a great president but the GOP is going down thanks to bush
I think he would be a great president but the GOP is going down thanks to bush
I'm just glad Hillary didn't win it. I think Obama was the best choice for the Democrats and that's saying something coming from me. 
But honestly, the Republicans didn't have much to offer so I could have cared less who one the GOP race.
But honestly, the Republicans didn't have much to offer so I could have cared less who one the GOP race.
Yay, Obama!
Edwards is still holding the thinnest of thin leads over Clinton... I hope he keeps it, if only for the psychological victory for Edwards (and loss for Clinton).
Just got back from caucus-ing for Obama. It's an awesome experience. I was elected to count the votes for the Obama group to determine the delegates. There were over 300 people from our precinct that showed up to caucus, which is quite a good turnout. I'll be interested to see the final turnout numbers...
I sense Oprah doing cartwheels right about now.
Also I'm interested to see what happens when the <15% candidates give up their numbers... I'm guessing that Edwards and Obama will benefit more from that than Clinton, since long-shot candidates tend to attract idealists rather than pragmatists.
Nothing really surprising. Though it seems surprises will be a lot more difficult for this year's election.
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 3 2008, 09:00 PM) 
Also I'm interested to see what happens when the <15% candidates give up their numbers... I'm guessing that Edwards and Obama will benefit more from that than Clinton, since long-shot candidates tend to attract idealists rather than pragmatists.
In our precinct, there were about 60 or so independents/Richardson/Dodd/Biden people that weren't viable after the first round. Obama picked up 45 of those with Edwards picking up most of the remainder.
I am excited for both sides.
QUOTE (Wes Mantooth @ Jan 3 2008, 06:56 PM)
Just got back from caucus-ing for Obama. It's an awesome experience. I was elected to count the votes for the Obama group to determine the delegates. There were over 300 people from our precinct that showed up to caucus, which is quite a good turnout. I'll be interested to see the final turnout numbers...
I'm happy to see a TFan doing this kind of work in our democratic process. It makes arguing about Mass Shifting and the cost of Seeker exclusives with you guys feel more dignified.
But, seriously, I want to say thanks for being involved.
Ahh, the illusion of democracy.
Dude, Chuck Norris is standing right behind Huckabee. It's hilarious.
Obama gave a pretty good victory speech, I thought.
Peggy Noonan said it best IMO: Huckabee is not creating a movement as much as he is riding a wave.
Hey evangelicals: REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU VOTED FOR A GUY BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A GREAT CHRISTIAN GUY KTHX
jesus.
Hey evangelicals: REMEMBER THE LAST TIME YOU VOTED FOR A GUY BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A GREAT CHRISTIAN GUY KTHX
jesus.
No kidding.
Although you could feel Chuck Norris' presence in the state, even though he was miles away.
Although you could feel Chuck Norris' presence in the state, even though he was miles away.
QUOTE (Wes Mantooth @ Jan 4 2008, 09:18 AM)
No kidding.
Although you could feel Chuck Norris' presence in the state, even though he was miles away.
Although you could feel Chuck Norris' presence in the state, even though he was miles away.
Because of Walker: Texas Ranger, everyone here in Texas feels his presence 24/7.
In all seriousness, the caucus experience is a great one. The biggest impact for me was the community atmosphere, since you're surrounded by your neighbors during the caucus meetings. The media does a really good job of making our the caucus process to be much more complicated than it really is. Honestly, it there isn't much more to it then, say, the electoral college. I understand the problem that some people have with publicly declaring their votes (which is only the Democratic process, btw...the Republican process is different and uses a standard straw vote), but really, when you go into any voting booth, you've made up your mind on who you area supporting. I don't see much difference in checking a box in a booth or standing in a group of people to have your initial vote counted.
His speech was pretty awesome. He definitely has some chutzpah that Huckabee doesn't. If Chuck Norris ran as his vice-president, I'd definitely vote for him though.
I'd vote for Chuck Norris' wife.
I suppose that would be a "straw poll"?
QUOTE (Mr Maxtastic @ Jan 3 2008, 06:38 PM)
I was watching huckabee on Jay Leno last night
I think he would be a great president but the GOP is going down thanks to bush
I think he would be a great president but the GOP is going down thanks to bush
Very, very doubtful. I think it will be at least another four years of a republican presidency. Huck seems sincere but it remains to be seen how he will hold up till the end.
A Huckabee/McCain ticket would be strong I think.
Shillary must be smoking crack with her saying last night that she is going to fix all of Americas problems...
I notice that both Iowa winners campaigned on a platform of change. Huckabee has been the most vocal about his opposition to Bush's administration. The clear subtext there is that the public is sick to death of the status quo, on both sides. Also consider why exactly it is that there is no clear successor to the Bush legacy. Nobody wants it. Bush has indeed doomed his party (unless Clinton wins the Democratic nomination). It's all over but the shouting.
Not to mention that Huckabee may be a social conservative, but he is far from being a fiscal conservative. And I think the Republican base is going to have a real problem with that.
Not to mention that Huckabee may be a social conservative, but he is far from being a fiscal conservative. And I think the Republican base is going to have a real problem with that.
One of the many reasons I'm not for Hilary is that I'm tired of canidates haveing a legacy before they even run. Are people required to run for office if they're related to a politician or something?
At least the media isn't pouncing on absolutely everything that could possibly be considered a story...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/08/nh.main/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/08/nh.main/index.html
Good lord, why didn't they just say "Well, polling has started"...
Edit: did anybody watch the debates on saturday, and the Fox News debate on... I think it was sunday?
Edit: did anybody watch the debates on saturday, and the Fox News debate on... I think it was sunday?
I did. Hillary's going down. The "Candidate of entitlement" indeed.
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Jan 8 2008, 02:10 PM)
I did. Hillary's going down.
Hard.
I like how she said that "it took a president" to enact civil rights legislation in the 1960s... I suppose she's comparing herself to Lyndon Johnson and Obama to Martin Luther King Jr.? ...And saying that it was really LBJ who changed the country...???
That would be a laugh
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 02:35 PM)
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Jan 8 2008, 02:10 PM)
I did. Hillary's going down.
Hard.
I like how she said that "it took a president" to enact civil rights legislation in the 1960s... I suppose she's comparing herself to Lyndon Johnson and Obama to Martin Luther King Jr.? ...And saying that it was really LBJ who changed the country...???
I missed that.
I've been reading transcripts because for some reason I keep missing the debates.
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jan 8 2008, 05:39 PM)
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 02:35 PM)
QUOTE (Cool Hand Lube @ Jan 8 2008, 02:10 PM)
I did. Hillary's going down.
Hard.
I like how she said that "it took a president" to enact civil rights legislation in the 1960s... I suppose she's comparing herself to Lyndon Johnson and Obama to Martin Luther King Jr.? ...And saying that it was really LBJ who changed the country...???
I missed that.
I've been reading transcripts because for some reason I keep missing the debates. QUOTE
Clinton’s Civil Rights Lesson
By Sarah Wheaton
DOVER, N.H. — As they barnstorm through New Hampshire, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband are often introduced by supporters who once backed another candidate but converted to her cause.
Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation.
The comment, an apparent reference to Senator Barack Obama, is particularly striking given documented fears among blacks that Mr. Obama will be assassinated if elected.
Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: “We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate.”
Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment.
Only a few hours later, she brought up the civil rights legislation herself in remarks to a Fox News correspondent.
Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have been in a running feud arising from her suggestion at Saturday’s debate that he was raising “false hope.”
Mr. Obama responded that Mr. Kennedy did not decide going to the moon was a false hope and that Martin Luther King, Jr. did not see ending segregation as such.
“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.”
The Obama campaign declined to comment on either of those remarks.
Later, during an appearance in Salem, Mrs. Clinton refined her remarks on Fox:
“You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches.
“President Kennedy was in Congress for 14 years. He was a war hero. He was a man of great accomplishments and readiness to be president. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten. He was jailed. And he gave a speech that was one of the most beautifully, profoundly important speeches ever written in America, the “I have a dream” speech.
“And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens.
“I’m running for president because I believe that there is not a contradiction between experience and change.”
By Sarah Wheaton
DOVER, N.H. — As they barnstorm through New Hampshire, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband are often introduced by supporters who once backed another candidate but converted to her cause.
Today, in Dover, Francine Torge, a former John Edwards supporter, said this while introducing Mrs. Clinton: “Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually” passed the civil rights legislation.
The comment, an apparent reference to Senator Barack Obama, is particularly striking given documented fears among blacks that Mr. Obama will be assassinated if elected.
Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman said: “We were not aware that this person was going to make those comments and disapprove of them completely. They were totally inappropriate.”
Mrs. Clinton’s expression did not change noticeably when Ms. Torge made the comment.
Only a few hours later, she brought up the civil rights legislation herself in remarks to a Fox News correspondent.
Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama have been in a running feud arising from her suggestion at Saturday’s debate that he was raising “false hope.”
Mr. Obama responded that Mr. Kennedy did not decide going to the moon was a false hope and that Martin Luther King, Jr. did not see ending segregation as such.
“Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act,” Mrs. Clinton said when asked about Mr. Obama’s rejoinder by Fox’s Major Garrett after her speech in Dover. “It took a president to get it done.”
The Obama campaign declined to comment on either of those remarks.
Later, during an appearance in Salem, Mrs. Clinton refined her remarks on Fox:
“You know, today Senator Obama used President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to criticize me. He basically compared himself to our greatest heroes because they gave great speeches.
“President Kennedy was in Congress for 14 years. He was a war hero. He was a man of great accomplishments and readiness to be president. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. led a movement. He was gassed. He was beaten. He was jailed. And he gave a speech that was one of the most beautifully, profoundly important speeches ever written in America, the “I have a dream” speech.
“And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn’t be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens.
“I’m running for president because I believe that there is not a contradiction between experience and change.”
Wow, it's like she's trying to fail...
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
so I would agree with your assessment
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:59 PM)
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
so I would agree with your assessment
And people thought Howard Dean shot himself in the foot...
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jan 8 2008, 06:04 PM)
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:59 PM)
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
so I would agree with your assessment
And people thought Howard Dean shot himself in the foot...
I think if Hillary Clinton ever went "YEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH", the universe would implode.
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 06:28 PM)
QUOTE (I.S.T. @ Jan 8 2008, 06:04 PM)
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:59 PM)
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
so I would agree with your assessment
And people thought Howard Dean shot himself in the foot...
I think if Hillary Clinton ever went "YEEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHHH", the universe would implode.
Right after it Powerglideed your mom.
*Will never understand why the excited shout killed Dean's presidential chances...*
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:59 PM)
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
so I would agree with your assessment
Assuming of course, that 50% of anyone in South Carolina is registered to vote.
Still don't see what Hillary said that's so wrong. Either people are really seeing something I'm not or they're just missing her point entirely. All she said was that it takes more than just having hope. I didn't interpret any of her statements in that article as comparing herself to anyone. Just that there has to be means as well as hope. But I guess voter perceptions are always what matter in US presidential elections.
A number of my friends are willing to vote for Obama despite thinking that he's made some stupid or questionable comments. And I'm beginning to think I'd do the same. Although I'll really believe in the hope if Obama can take the electoral votes of any southern state that isn't dominated by black voters. Of course, that will also be far too late as concerns the primary.
A number of my friends are willing to vote for Obama despite thinking that he's made some stupid or questionable comments. And I'm beginning to think I'd do the same. Although I'll really believe in the hope if Obama can take the electoral votes of any southern state that isn't dominated by black voters. Of course, that will also be far too late as concerns the primary.
QUOTE (( . Y . ) @ Jan 8 2008, 04:57 PM)
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:59 PM)
Right after New Hampshire comes South Carolina, which has a 50% African-American population.
so I would agree with your assessment
Assuming of course, that 50% of anyone in South Carolina is registered to vote.so I would agree with your assessment
Clinton and McCain won the New Hampshire primaries... Clinton beat Obama by 3 points, and McCain beat Romney by 5 points. (personal note: UGGGH Clinton, but hey, there's still 48 states left)
I'm really not sure if Alabama would vote for a woman or a black man first. Are you sure George Wallace doesn't have any children running for the Democrats at the moment?
After reading some more of the post-primary analysis, it seems that the only thing the pollsters underestimated was the degree of support for Hillary Clinton among women. They called it right for Obama; he got the numbers that they had been predicting for him. But women voted overwhelmingly for Clinton, and in higher-than-expected numbers. I guess crying does get you what you want.
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 9 2008, 08:46 AM)
I guess crying does get you what you want.
BURN!
QUOTE (Big Daddy @ Jan 8 2008, 09:05 PM)
Clinton and McCain won the New Hampshire primaries... Clinton beat Obama by 3 points, and McCain beat Romney by 5 points. (personal note: UGGGH Clinton, but hey, there's still 48 states left)
Seriously, who voted for Clinton? Fess up. The general consensus on TFans, the rest of the internets, and IRL seems to be that she's the antichrist. Then again, we all know there are no women on the internet...
DING! DING! DING! No wimmens on the internetz!
In Iowa, the only demographic that Clinton beat Obama in was women over 60, who when polled after voting said that they just wanted to see a woman president in their lifetime. That makes me wonder how many more people have the viewpoint that it "doesn't matter which woman gets in, just as long as she's got a Clampdown and ovaries, she'll do fine". Morons.
AND FWIW, I would totally vote for a woman for president, as long as I felt she was the RIGHT woman for the job.
*still has fingers crossed for an Obama/Edwards 2008 dream ticket*
In Iowa, the only demographic that Clinton beat Obama in was women over 60, who when polled after voting said that they just wanted to see a woman president in their lifetime. That makes me wonder how many more people have the viewpoint that it "doesn't matter which woman gets in, just as long as she's got a Clampdown and ovaries, she'll do fine". Morons.
AND FWIW, I would totally vote for a woman for president, as long as I felt she was the RIGHT woman for the job.
*still has fingers crossed for an Obama/Edwards 2008 dream ticket*
The thing that bothers me most about Hillary is just how much she wants to be the first woman president.
And FYI there is no. way. in. hell. that I will vote to put Bill Clinton back in the White House. Hell no.
And FYI there is no. way. in. hell. that I will vote to put Bill Clinton back in the White House. Hell no.
You see, that really pisses me off. If Hillary is elected, it DOES NOT MEAN THAT BILL IS BACK IN THE WHITE HOUSE, yet I hear that over and over again. If anything, the first lady/first gentleman(?) is a unofficial advisor, nothing more. He would hold no real power/authority.
And why the hell should I elect Hillary just because Bill was a good president (IMO), it doesn't make any sense. Would you ask the commercial jetliner's pilot's wife to fly the plane? How about the Heart surgeon's husband, should he operate on you? He's the husband of a qualified heart surgeon, why shouldn't he? It's all BS, I tell you. She's just not the right candidate for me.
And why the hell should I elect Hillary just because Bill was a good president (IMO), it doesn't make any sense. Would you ask the commercial jetliner's pilot's wife to fly the plane? How about the Heart surgeon's husband, should he operate on you? He's the husband of a qualified heart surgeon, why shouldn't he? It's all BS, I tell you. She's just not the right candidate for me.
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