TF:Animated has no quality? WTF? Did you really watch it? It had many great moments of fluidity, motion usage, and direction for the animation itself. It wasn't high-end, but it was done with above-average quality as far as a foreignly-animated 22-minute cartoon goes. If you dislike the style, whatever, that's your choice/opinion, but the show was not done in poor quality at all. And this new show/toyline is no more riding the 'good name of Transformers' anymore than any other incarnation since G1.

And before you go into any more rants about the uniqueness and originality of 80's cartoons - Every one of those cartoons you named draws from something previously done. Bionic Six - Bionic Woman or anything previous ring a bell. Silverhawks was made by the same guy who came up with Thundercats, he drew on his own material and switched Cats with Birds, Earth with Space, and Mumm-Ra for Mon-Star. I'm not saying there weren't some good shows then, but as Madhammer stated before - the 80's was the Ghetto of animation. No budgets, no ability to hire better writers (not that some didn't produce good scripts), and no way to actually make the animation come together with fluidity. It was an era of getting by and doing what they could in animation.

Also, if you don't think the G1 Cartoon was dumbed down or campy, RE-WATCH it as a normal adult. It has some of the most silly concepts ever. It also has some good stuff in there, and good characters, but seriously the writing is so inconsistent, silly, and camp-filled you couldn't wade through it all.

You talk about narrowmindedness and being obtuse, but you might want to check into your own statements and opinions first SQueen.

Please don't feed the troll. He's trying to incite responses by being offensive. I'd be tempted to respond to him, but to be honest, trying to read through one of his posts gives me a headache. I wish trolls would have the decency to use decent grammar.

And seriously guys, if anyone wants a download of the premiere, just PM me. I'm not quite sure what the board's rules are for posting that kind of thing...

My biggest problem with the animation now that I think about it, is all the glitches. I know every cartoon and show has glitches but now and days they are usually not so obvious. And coming in second on the animation style is the Transformations.

IN ANIMATED THE TRANSFORMERS DON'T TRANSFORM!!!!!! It seems more like their morphing. And I'm pretty sure no one here would tune in each week if the show was called, "The Mighty Morphing Robots."

Now regardless of your views on the animation style you cant say that they couldn't have done better on it.

And another thing! in the cartoon it shows BB driving around as the car with his door transformed into his arm. His door does not transform into his arm. Why cant they even have a little more continuity within the same show.


AND BEFORE ANYONE STARTS WINING THIS IS NOT A NEGATIVE TO THE WHOLE SHOW JUST THOSE PARTS...

also just to tag on the Beast Machines Stylised CG has held up quite well compared to new CGI kids shows but then BM did a lot of firsts for a CGI kids show unlike animated that's style can be traced back a fair bit

That's more stylistic than anything, and if you notice they transform in several different ways in the premiere. We have toys to show that all of the characters are capable of accurate transformations, so is it necessary to show that in-depth every time in the course of a show? That would get boring quickly.

I'm torn on the transforming. On one hand, they stated from the get-go that the transformations would be stylized. On the other... well.. Have they ran at different speeds? I mean, do the anime blur style transformations go faster than the old-fashioned moving parts transforms? If they move relatively the same speed, then it is an artistic choice. If the anime blurs are faster, then it is a practicality choice. I think you are going to see a consistent logic in those.


... That, or they are going to show the standard transform once in an episode, to implant the concept of what is going on, and then use the anime transform from there on out.

It came out in November. The CG(from the commercials I saw) is easily some of the best ever. >.>

Like the rest of this discussion.

P.S. Supremequeen, stay away from the personal insults or you're taking a week off. You've already gotten two warns for the same thing.

I do wonder what all of you mean specifically about the morphing transformations. Because, if you watch the G1 Cartoon, you'll see morphing in almost every scene - Ironhide and Ratchet's entire rear and wheels magically morphing out of them, the Seekers' arms popping out of nowhere out the sides of their jet modes, Brawn's wheels and pretty much every "car part" appearing suddenly as he transformed, and all of the Stunticons morph so heavily it's ridiculous (their chests change shape and the windows just disappear to form toy-accurate fronts - watch them next time - it's quite funny).

Those are just a few examples. There are more morphing scenes in G1 than actually showing off the correct transformations. Also, many of the actual parts-moving-transformations in G1 were reused several times throughout the series, such as Prime's famous "Autobots Transform and Roll Out!" scene.

Now, in G1 a lot of this happens because all the TF's are giant boxes that really couldn't change shape and keep it a simple style without constant morphing (or cheating - depending on how you see it). In TF:Animated it's sort of the same principle as the style of the robots would dictate what they could and couldn't do, but also you have to take in consideration that a stylist choice was probably called in. The animation directors could have felt they needed more than one type of transformation style to keep the pace and flow going (or it could just be an aniamtion cheat - but I doubt it).


My main question is:
Would you rather have the same reused transformation scenes like Energon and Cybertron all the time - with the flashy backgrounds and the poses at the end?

PH is totally right. The difference with Animated is that the transformations are intentionally done that way.

And really, what a stupid thing to get upset about. Oh my God I didn't see the actual transformation. Well, call the police.

Anyway - i kinda liked that they played with the transformations a little...
Didnt scourge and the seekers use to pull out their arms or heads once in a while while in alt mode??

Yeah, that happened all the time. But the difference in G1 is that the animators were going off-model or had no time to properly animate the shot. Which is something people don't understand when they criticize Animated's art style as being cheap or lazy etc. They're staying on-model and there is a HIGH degree of consistency in the animation, that you never ever saw in G1.

Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention to cartoons for the past 20 years. Just about anything from 2007 is going to be superior to just about anything from 1984.

Ok so anytime someone expresses an opinion diferent than yours their stupid and upset. Well that's really high and mighty of you.

And as far as G1's transformations go. It was 20 years ago. Of course over time things are going to get better. There's more techknowlogy to help with that. G1 everything was done by hand, animated they have computers that do a lot of the work. 20 years later I just think they could have done beter on the Transformations.

You're missing the point. Animated is done in a stylized manner (in case you haven't noticed, right), and the transformations are also stylized. It's not a matter of what *could* they have done, but what they *chose* to do. And I think that is the point. They have the ability to make artistic choices now that they didn't 20-some years ago, because they have the money to be able to pull it off. Back then, they were lucky to produce a single episode that didn't have glaring errors in it.

I would question your assumption that animation just naturally gets better over time, as well. What makes cartoons better now than they were in the 80's is "budget". But cartoons in the 80's were at a low point; there had been a steady decline in quality starting in the late 1950's, and by the time Transformers and its ilk came along in 1984, the thought of artistry in mainstream cartoons was just laughable. The resurgence in cartoons happened in large part because of The Little Mermaid and Ren & Stimpy (IMO anyway).

strange... this show is how G1 would have been if it was produced today, even has lots of g1ish stuff like transformers turning gray when they die, morphing transformations, and more, and some still hate it, just because of the animation style... this topic actually makes me wonder "are these guys (im talking to you, supremequeen) actually adults, or just babies who wont stop crying until they get back G1, wich is the ACTUAL threat to transformers?" cause some of you (SUPREMEQUEEN) act less mature than the other people in my class at school. and they conduct WARS WITH PENCILS

I agree with what a lot of people are saying, overall I liked the show there were just some aspecs I didn't. Now just because I didn't like it doesn't make me wrong or anyone else who liked it wrong. It just makes us different. But as I said before. TF:A matches the large part of the audiance it was intended for. I will still watch it because, well it's Transformers. But for the older ones like me who want a more mature TF thats what the comics are for. TF:A has it's place and we all have our opinions.

But regardless of anything else we only saw the 1st 3 episodes, the 4th comes out tommorow. And since it does not fit straight through with the 1st 3 eps we will see if everything remains the same. As any show goes they may make changes to improve it, usually by adding something in that they didn't think of when they first started and a lot of additions can be made as they introduce new bots.

Oh and I do question the statement that cartoons were at their low point in the 80's. I mean look at the toon's that came out of the 80's.


Transformers
GIJoe
Ninja Turtles
Thundercats
SilverHawks
Strawberry Shortcake
Care Bares
The Simpsons (A perfect example of animation improvement over time)
Heman
Shera
space ghost

and many others.

Most of which are still really popular and still have some sort of current spin off.

Popularity means nothing in terms of quality, otherwise we wouldn't have Britney Spears and the like still going...

As for your list, look at the animation quality of each. You'll notice that animation quality barely exists in each of them. They were all half-assed.

I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Those shows were all shit. (The Simpsons was/is a prime-time show and is in a different category.)

And Space Ghost was made in the 60s.

Yeah really

It's not that the shows might not have been entertaining to you, it's the fact that animation-wise, they were at a really sh*tty point in the history of animation.

I just don't see how you can say that. Some of the animation for these shows were really good and in my opinion a lot better than some of the quality you get today. Especially for the time and Technology they had. I think quite a few of you are looking at it biasly.



What cartoon people looked like in the 80's:


Bionic 6
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Dragons Lair
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Transformers
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What people look like today:

Transformers Animated
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Teen titans
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South Park

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And just for fun

http://www.80scartoons.net/

I'm just going to leave it at "lol", I think.




lol

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1. Art and animation ARE NOT THE SAME THING!

2. South Park is purposefully done to look like Blot.

3. There are cartoons that have better looking people than that... All you did was cherry pick the cartoons for your example!

Bugs Bunny looks NOTHING like a real rabbit. What a crock.

I know your doing the whole "go along to get along thing" which means publicly hateing the Queen. but for what its worth, thank you for this post, it means a lot to me.
I'm not sure, but I think your new to the fourm. so when u said "so any one who opinion differs from your is stupid & up-set", well dude all I can say to that is welcome to my world!
iseriously doubt i'll live to see the end of this day. apparently speaking an opinion that differs from the majority is enough to get you kicked off.
so if you wanna hang around, I suggest you keep on doing the whole "go along to get along thing".
as for me, well I feel like Jesus sitting in prayer in the Garden of Getsemity. waiting for the Roman solider to come & take me away.
like a friend of mine use to say, "its not right, but its real".

Understand that it isn't the opinion, it's the expression of it - if I can debate religion with the Admins of this board and still be around, certainly you can disagree with them about toys without getting booted.

However, comparing yourself to Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane is the epitome of gheyness.

Fixed.

either or

OMG I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT JESUS WENT THROUGH BECAUSE I GOT IN THIS ARGUMENT ON THE INTERNET ONCE AND IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR ME

Where is Direrose? I'm sure she can shed some light on this situation. Retarded people often have a keen insight into problem resolution.

ok down to busness. QUICK SOME ONE CALL HELL & SEE IF ITS FROZEN OVER! because I'm about to actulay say something positive about TF:A. who was it that said BB's arm should not TF in to his door?
because I'm almost sure that the vehicle mode they used for him is the same KO of the Mini Cooper that was used in TF classics deluxe class right?
& in the incarnation of BB his doors most certainly do TF in to his arms. also in reguards to the morphing of both TF:A & G1. its true both used morphing, but the differance is this. G1 used it to clean up the robot form i.e. Primes front wheels disapear off his hips most time, sideswipe's doors windows & all just morph in to solid robot box style arms ect ect.
but this G1 morphing was always done to compliment the robot form of the bot, NOT as an obvious short cut in TF-ing.
in TF:A its very obvious the animators are taking just such a short cut, & like some one already said in the 20 years time they most certainly should have over come this lil problem.
BUT! who am I to complain, I'm just some 35 year old, old fart that only helped to make the TF name the house hold item that it is today. I'm only the guy who blows approx. $400.00 a month on TFs (dont you judge me). so why should my opinion count for squat?
its PAINFULY obvious that the franchise need to go back over seas to Japan (just not in the hands of the pokie mon plp). I already said the animation style of armada or engeron was just fine w/me. all that was lacking was the articulation. to me it made no sence to draw a detailed pic of a TF & the have them move arounf on screen just a few clicks better that an eps of South Park.

Sorry you don't like it.

I found it cute that he popped his arm out and caught the allspark. Makes sense, after all, sorta like gerwalk mode.

S.Queen, I'd recommend not referring to yourself in the 3rd person. It makes you come across as pretentious.

My opinion of the animation...meh. I'm not a fan of the style, and I doubt I'll ever truly "love" it. But I can accept it. What I greatly prefer is the US side story and plot. We haven't had decent plotlines for Transformers since Beast Machines, IMHO. (Not to get anyone started on salad bar Cybertron...)

At least this isn't a show originally written for three-year-old Japanese kids retrofitted to a show geared towards six-year-old American kids. This past weekend I saw my first episode of Energon and was painfully reminded of why Animated is the best TF show to come out in several years. Not the best it could be, not made for me, but certainly better than we've had to put up with so far, at least for the writing.

Just for the record, I will not go along to just get along. If I have an opinion I will express it. I will not however criticise others. It's good to express yourself not good to put others down for what they believe.

And further more I really think that people in real life do look like south park characters.


But back on subject:

Tomorrows episode:

Episode 4: Home is where the Spark is.

The Autobots new home base attacks them.


My theory is that when they bring the spark to the factory all the old machinery comes to life and take the Autobots captive. Sari has to use her key to save them.

Well said.

thanks for the pics of the 80ies toons, the visual helps a lot. IST you said "art is not the same as animation". that I can most certainly agree with. TF:A is way more along the lines of "chacticher" style with its over draw exagerated body parts. now when we look at things like the pic above of the chick w/the glowing eyes we can see that this new toon is supieor in terms of light use but is it lacks texture in terms facial asthetics that the 80ies were a lot better at capturing. also the body movemnt are better in 80ies toons. NOW! if one of you kind gents would be so good as to thow up a pic of Xmen Evolution, we'll all see that this is a modern toon that incorperates the good quaities of old & new style animation.
bodies move very freely. the anthropromorphic of the animation is very exceptional for it being modern. & the light FX during energy discharge are consistant with superior modern animation.
so these were the animation qualites I'm looking for in TF:A.

These are all stylistic differences. It's not better or worse for a cartoon to be more or less stylized. It's a cartoon -- you can draw the characters however you want.

This is really getting tiresome BTW.

you know what, everything I just said about animation of how they look & move speaks to the humans & not the bots.
so I'm like duh! Queen who give a flip about the humans. don't get me wrong I want them draw accuratly just not the focus of the story.
ok, so how about a comprimise? "Go-Danner"! the people in it are a lil on the steropical animé style w/big eyes animé tiny slit mouths that some how open wide enough to swallow a human head.
but the giant robots in it are AWSOME! tons of detail work & good movement. not the absoulte best in animation but still pretty good. & God know a far sight better than TF:A.

... I'm beginning to hate you all. Really.

What time will it be airing? I don't have cable, so it doesn't help me... let's hope I can find it online. And let's hope that it doesn't take me a week to do so. Although if I can't, doesn't seem like a big loss. Episode sounds rather dull, to be perfectly honest. I want the rest of the Decepticons to show up already. BLITZWING NEEDS SCREENTIME... AND SOUNDWAVE. WHEREEVER HE IS.

10:30 AM Central Time.

OK these are the points everybody agrees on:


Animated has a great story line with well developed characters and top notch voice acting, sound work and music quality.




What people disagree on:

The art style used.



Final decision on the animation style!!!!!!!!!


Some like it some don't, good for both of them you get a prize.




Here's a kitty:

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I LOVE KITTIES.

the tread is for all points of view hammer not just yours. I'm well aware that my self confidence continues to make other feel uneasy but I don't do the humbel thing very well. & its not my grammer you have a problem w/its my syntax (ok & maby my spelling to).
I have my own style & flare about life & have no intention of changeing that to acomidate some squable some internet MODS who need to govern every lil aspect of a person's "person"...............hmmm, hay glue you out their listening? because I'm demonstating EXAXTLY what makes a person a "person".
so Hammer if you wanna pull a hat trick w/the warns, well do what you must. I'm born SUPREME, I've live my life SUPREME, & I'm gonna die SUPREME!
like THEMAJOR says at the end of the 1st Ghost in The Shell movie, "the net is far & vast". I'm sure i'll turn up elsware. & this madness of discrimination & censorship can start all over again.

You officially win the thread.

It had some nice points but I've read better "Messageboard farewell" speeches.

Soooo.....does this mean you're leaving?

Jesus. Get over yourself already.

EVERYTHING IS NOT ABOUT YOU

*Begins foaming at mouth.*