http://atasteforthetheatrical.com/deathtrap/default.htm

OWNAGE.

Ledger > Nicolson

Now I REALLY want a time machine...

YES

to be fair, Jack was working with what he had... which was ceaser romero and some bad cartoons


Ledger has that plus some GREAT cartoons and even better comics for the writers to draw from

the first 6 minutes of the film

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35081

I feel pretty safe pinning all that horrible burlesque acting and campiness on Nicholson and Burton. I mean, Burton directed Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. Nolan directed Memento. I think that says all you need to know about the differences between the series.



Not that I don't love Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

Nohing can beat Nicholson parading around the museum with Bob and the boys defacing princeless works of art.

to a Prince song

Link to youtube there no longer works. This one, however, does: http://www.movieweb.com/video/V07L13gorBJKOQ

Gosh, WB is quick.

Want

sweet

To be honest - i feel like Ledger sounds like he's trying to imitate Nicholson.... But that also might be the context of the trailer.

It also seems like a step towards the cartoony - which folks like Madhammer have been hoping against for a while... I wasn't necessarily wow'D by the trailer...

I'm still looking forward to this though. I love love LOVE Nolan. So I have faith in his ability to pull this off.
But that trailer seems to play to the lowest common denominator (although i guess it should ....) which is NOT what Nolan does best...

Looks like it will be great. Though that trailer looked like it was for the "THE JOKER" movie.

Yeah, there were some "big" moments in the trailer. But I imagine that stuff like that is most effective at getting butts in seats. I know that Nolan understands subtlety, so I'm not afraid. My hope is that the Joker comes off as someone who really is mentally unwell -- if you've ever spoken with someone who has a serious mental illness, there's a sort of unsettling quality about them b/c they don't abide by social norms. I saw some of that in there... so I remain optimistic.

Lets see what we had in the 6 minute Trailer:

1) Joker and gang pulling a caper (SCORE!)
2) Joker insicriminately killing friend and foe alike at a whim (SCORE!)
3) Joker killing with poison gas (SCORE!)
4) Joker makes what sounds like a bad joke that turns out to be litteral (SCORE!)


Put that together and you got WIN.

I don't think that was a trailer - that was the first 6 min of the movie.

yeah assmunch, use spoiler tags and stuff


and I mean "assmunch" in the most respectful way possible, of course

Ah, ok, saw the trailer and the five minute promotional clip and overall looks fun.

Hardly R rated like some of the talkbackers seem to think.

I didn't see anything in either the trailer or promotional clip that could be considered R rated especially in this day and age. Joker seems to kill a lot of people but sinse when has that been a problem when the blood/gore isn't empasised.

Heath ledger looks pretty good as Joker. Dark and gritty and a lot closer to how the comics have normally represented him. love the shot of him sticking his body halfway out of the police car. That alone is creep/disturbing and really shows Nolan may have actually nailed this.

Kudos also to Nolan for not having us endure another orgin retread. Joker was hinted as being Joker at the end of the first film and here he's Joker from the get go. Plain and simple.

So next Summer it's TDN and IM. I'll definitely be seeing both though this easily looks the better of the two. I wouldn't be surprised though if I like Iron Man mre. That just looks like pure unadulterated summer movie escapism and I love that in any movie.

Maggie Gyllenhaal is absolutely beautiful. She blows doors on Katie Holmes. Big time.

I have to admit, I'm not minding that casting change. Katie Holmes was the weakest part of Batman Begins IMO.

I didn't mind Katie Holmes, really. But Maggie Gyllenhaal = the hotness.

Katie Holmes sucks as an actress. Seriously. Maggie Gyllenhaal(I had to copy paste this... There's no Powerglideing way I could spell her last name) is extremely talented, and is probably one of the best actresses who's under 40 in Hollywood right now.

I know a lot of people were asking about Heath Ledger's performance in "The Dark Knight", whether he was finished with the movie, etc., so here you go:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35367

Well! At least that's the important thing.




>_> Okay I was wondering too

Oh, let's be honest, there's not a Pop-Culture Centered Message Board Member alive who wasn't sweating this. Good to know.

I'll be honest -- I've been wondering if I would want to see this movie now. I was thinking that it might be too weird / strange / whatever. But then again, he didn't participate in the movie for it not to be seen and enjoyed. I don't know, though.

That's my take on it.

Well of course it is, because that means you get to see it.

I watched the crow....
and Harry potter, and Silent Toungue...
I don't see this being any different.

You think he'd want us to avoid it?

Am I a bad person for being more concerned about not having a recurring bad guy in a Batman film than the loss of a human being?


I guess I am.

BATMAN+JOKER+MAGGIE GYLLENHAAL = I think I came a little.

IMO recurring bad guys in films suffer the same way recurring bad guys in episodic shows suffer. The menace decreases every time they fight to a draw, or the good guy wins. I had never thought that the Joker would survive the film.

Well apparently the plot called for the third film to start with the Joker standing trial, and Harvey Dent getting scared during the proceedings, setting up the Two Face story.Granted, that scene could very well have been filmed before Ledger passed.
I agree though, villains work best with the one and done approach.

And yes, I will see The Dark Knight. Ledger looked amazing as The Joker, and the selfish part of me (in conjunction with the Batman fan in me) simply wants to see that performance on the big screen.
The empathetic side of me doesn't have a problem seeing it, mostly for the reasons mentioned. He acted in the film so people could enjoy it. It is a movie, it's purpose for existing is entertainment.
Besides, the show must go on.

Did you just fucking spoiler the movie?

I'm soooo Powerglideing happy I started at the bottom of this thread so I didn't read AZ's post.

Ha, I put cotton balls in my eyes so I wouldn't read it.

But I'm pretty sure it should be a board rule that if you spoil anything ever before something comes out, there's an automatic one-week ban.

Someone edit his post now!

My apologies. The ending I "revealed" was passed along to me by a friend of mine who visits Batman fan forums, and the ending was more or less leaked. Much the same way many here had copies of various TF movie scripts before the release. So I assumed that the ending of TDK (or the beginning of the third movie) was common knowledge.

Anyway, spoiler tags have been added.

Okay, just to be crystal clear: even if a script is leaked, even if it's all over the internet, you do NOT freaking post it for all to see. GAAAHH DAMMIT

If you ever spoil a new Batman/Transformer film you really do deserve to be raped by a herd of donkeys.

Got this from a friend based on some news coverage.

Possibly a big spoiler and has to do with Ledger's portrayal of the Joker.

Apparently the guy was found without the medication bottle opened but with some unknown substance by his bed. Really f*cked up is it's been reported that a movie Ledger had just filmed had him dying in the same manner as he had in a recent movie he had filmed. TDK???? The medication was apparently to help him sleep because the role of the Joker had seriously f*cked him up and since he's had difficulty sleeping. Speculation/rumours don't know it's all just kind of creepy Nolan's Joker is that disturbingly portrayed. It's all being investigated so who really knows.

Not sure about this one either. Upon playing Joker, Jack Nicholson himself warned Ledger the role would seriously f*ck with his head afterwards and admitted to not being the same since his portrayal. I wish I could confirm this but it kind of busts the theory so many have about Nicholson playing only himself in the first Batman film.

All speculation considering it all came from friends but still it gives Nolan's TDK a really earie/disturbing vibe.

Oh and I thought everybody who was a Batman fan knew Joker scarred dent during the trial thus transforming him into the scarred Two Face. What I didn't know was that Joker according to this report or what have you may actually die at the end of TDK.

Jebus I thought this was comon knowledge.

This is a rumor based on some out of context stuff Nicholson said about warning the public in general about the dangers of sleeping pills...not anything he said specifically to Ledger and certainly nothing he said about the Joker role.

Yeah just saw it in the Entertainment section and posted some further thoughts there.

Nicholson aside that still doesn't change the fact he was taking sleeping pills in the first place. Based on that, and other speculation it couldn't have been an easy role for him to pull off at such an early age. Joker is far and away from most conventional movie villains. I couldn't even imagine what it would be like to be insane and be devoid of any moral responsability. The comics are pretty shocking/sickening as to what he can be capable of.

The list of actors who have portrayed psychotic killers and are doing just fine is a long, long list. I don't mean take away from the acting skill required to play a Joker or a Hannibal Lector, but I'd be shocked to discover that the role was responsible for his death in any substantial way. I mean, he was already underway on another shoot, and involved in another character when tragedy struck.

I mean, if the mindset of the Joker was what killed him, why didn't he die while filming TDK instead of a month or two later?

I love Nolan and i think this movie is going to kick ass!
But i have a hard time taking BATMAN so seriously as to think anyone would kill themselves over it.