What a cheesedick...

Idiot trying to save the dog that put his grandson into ICU

If you read that, he tries to make it sound like the cops made it out worse than it actually was, and the whole thing was an accident.

Read the news story and decide for yourself.

One of my employees has the great "honor" of having to live next to this moron. He's had nothing but problems with this dumbass and his dumbass dogs ever since he's moved in. And to top it all off, the guy moved to Northglenn because the city of Denver was ready to levy some heavy fines for the behavior of his dogs.

Anyone want to make a "special" donation to that P.O. Box?

doods not an idiot, he just loves his dog man. i've seen police over react like this on several occasions, it happens alot. communities over react too when a dog bites a Powerglideing kid. 90% of the time it's not the dog's fault because the dog has been either mistreated or has been provoked to attack. the acu officer testified to the dog's temperament and they do alot of Blot to dogs to test temperament. Powerglide sometimes dogs just bite people, they are animals after all.

what kinds of problems has the neighbor had out of the guy and his dogs? alot of times it's the owner's fault and not the dog's and it's Powerglideing said because the dog has to pay the price.

Well, for starters, the larger Rottweiler (Zeus) has used this guy's arm as a chew toy. The pit bull has broken several pickets off of my employee's fence. Both of the rottweilers have been spotted roaming the neighborhood. None of these dogs are trained. They bark constantly. On the other side of the fence is a main throughway, and there's a bus stop with a bench right by the fence. Apparently, the dogs were going nuts because of these teen-aged kids sitting at the bench, waiting for the bus, doing things that teen-aged kids do (being noisy, yukking it up, et al.)... this guy goes off, jumps the fence, and socks one of the kids in the face. A neighbor who witnessed this told the police office that the teenagers did nothing to provoke any sort of attack. But the guy still insists that they were "teasing his dogs" (they were probably getting annoyed at all of the barking and telling the dogs to STFU).

The guy is a first class moron, he's not one bit concerned for the 3 year old, just about his dog. If you get Rottweilers, Dobermans, and/or Pitbulls, they are guard/attack dogs. You have to train them, or take them to a school to get them trained. Not doing so... results in dumbassery and Powerglidetardedness. End of list.

nooooo, if you don't abuse them or mistreat them, and as long as you assert your dominance over them they're normally very gentle dogs. every once in a while you'll get one with an aggression problem, but most of it is a simple misconception by people based on very few random attacks. the guy sounds like a douche, guys like that tend to mistreat their animals as well. as for barking well, thats just what dogs do. our dogs bark all the time, the neighbor gets pissed off but she can suck my dick, her and her kid's loud mouths are much louder than our dogs. however, as a responsible dog owner i bring my dogs in and scold them when they do make a nuisance of themselves. the dog's should be the last ones blamed in situations like this though, as the incident could have more than likely been easily prevented. it's really sad that they're always the target of everyone's aggression and hatred.

Um... you CAN train your dogs NOT to bark.

And as for the "misconception" about these kinds of dogs... as I said before, these dogs he has are born and bred to be guard/attack dogs. You HAVE to train them, that's all there is to it. People who have these dogs and don't train them or have them formally trained are asking for lawsuits. There's a guy in my neighborhood whose Rottweiler attacked a door to door salesman (about three houses down from where he lives), not only did he lose the dog, he's paid some stiff fines and had to settle out of court or face a lawsuit. His dog... NEVER trained.

If it was just a bite, it's a just a bite. Dog bit me once, and I begged my dad not to get rid of him. But I didn't need to go to the ICU. I needed a band-aid.

When I have a three year old, if a dog...any dog...puts him/her in the ICU, the cops won't have time to draw their guns before I've put a bullet in the mongrel's brain.

I'm with Buddykiller on this one all the way.


They still have to be trained to be guard/attack dogs.


I'm sure there's a lot more to this than we know.

Dogs are pack animals, when you buy/aquire a dog, you are bringing it into your pack. You then have to establish dominance (never ever by force of any type, that breeds aggression in dogs), and then the dogs primary goals are to make you (packleader) happy. The most effective way to discipline your dog is by shaking the nape of it neck (just like its mom did when it was a pup) at the moment of disobedience. You cannot effectively discipline your dog after the fact, their memory doesn't work that way.

The absolute nicest/sweetest dogs I have ever met have been either Rottweilers (my friend Dennis and his Rotty Rocky) or Pit Bulls (my friend Justin and his Pit Miha, my friend Toby and his Pits Honey, Brindle, and Thorten). They knew their place in the pack, and played their roles appropriately. You can't take care of a dog by keeping it in the yard, they need your affection and interaction. Especially these larger breeds, they need to be able to run and play, if not it can foster frustration, which in turn can lead to aggression.

holy cripes somebody agrees with me O_O

but yea, nash is right. most dog behavior specialists will tell you that more often then not the big "mean" breeds make the best family pets.

yea sure, those breeds have, in the past, been bread for aggression and protectivity, but most of that aggression as been bread right back out of them as dogs have more and more become pets as opposed to security systems, and like i said you do every once in a blue moon end up getting an aggressive dog, but with the proper training any dog can be changed. it all depends on if you're willing to put the time into it. also, that random aggressivness i'm talking about, it doesn't just happen in "mean" breeds, it happens in all breeds of dogs. the only differences are

a.) the dog's breed is already perceived as being mean
b.) it's a smaller dog in which case it's perceived as cute or encouraged as a play activity for the human
c.) the particular breed of dog has been built for biting power
d.) the media sensationalizes Powerglideing everything, they can make a pit bull alot meaner than say a retriever because a retriever is a known family animal and everybody "knows" it's not an "aggressive" breed where as if you say pit bull everybody runs for their baby.

i know the whole pack mentality thing sounds like new age bibble babble, but it Powerglideing works. your talking about an animal that we have little to no communication skills with therefore we must get down on their level and think the way they think. use the way their mind is wired to our advantage. you NEVER let a dog know you're scared of it. why? fear is an act of submission and it's a dog's natural tendency to assert it's dominance over something that is submissive to it. if you don't back down from a dog it will submit to you unless it's been trained to do otherwise.

however, as i said earlier, barking is how dogs communicate. if people can run their noisy leaf blowers, lawn mowers, cars, weed eaters and mouths, a few barks isn't going to hurt them in the least. most of the time they bark to let me know they want to come back in.

And a three year old can comprehend all this?

If you have a dog that size and a three year old (completely incapable of comprehending dominance in a pack situation who is likely to rely on his fear instinct when startled) within proximity of each other, and you're not keeping a careful, careful eye on them both, you deserve to lose them both and face every criminal charge on the books. This guy's a tool.







Although I wouldn't be opposed to the dog being turned over to a willing responsible pet owner instead of killing it, if that can be arranged easily without too much cost to the tax payers. If not - BOOM!

YES! Thank you!

I cannot believe how many people are willing to blame the child in a situation like this.

There was a piece of crap on Dr. Phil one time, crying about having to lose his Dalmation.
Problem is, his daughter's face was MAULED by the dog, the mother had the dog removed (not killed! Removed!) and the husband holds resentment towards the wife and daughter and keeps coming up with lines like "Well of course the dog's jealous, he was here before she was! I can't control how he feels, he was my baby long before she was." The audience booed him (or as close as Dr. Phil will allow) and the guy whined some more, etc. (Pathetic, simply pathetic.) I still to this day have no idea what happened with the dog, but he was upset that the dog would have to remain outside behind a heavy duty fence, or over at his mother's place if he wanted to keep the dog.

...and he still complained!

Had that been me in the situation, I'd have pulled the dog off my kid, sent my wife and kid on ahead to the ER (so the kid doesn't see) and I'd have BEATEN that dog to death. They'd find pieces of him all over the street.

I love pets. I love my dog. (I agree about the showing them dominance thing.) But my own flesh and blood and safety comes first. The pet will die if I have to protect someone I love. I'd hate for it to happen, but that'd be one dead mutt.

thats sort of the point yanno. it wasn't the dog's fault and it wasn't the child's fault. i mean the child may have provoked the dog, but the parent of the child and owner of the dog should have been more responsible.



you should NEVER shoot an animal to kill it. it's so easy to miss and put the animal through so much trauma.



dr. phil's a Powerglideing tool anyway. you people have some serious Powerglideing anger problems man. you should never leave a child alone with an animal until they're able to understand the proper way to treat the animal. babies and youngsters pull on ears and tails and hurt animals, and yea most family pets take it in stride, but if the animal isn't trained properly to put up with that, it'll react in the only way it knows how. as long as people are lazy and practice improper parenting and pet ownership techniques these things will continue to happen.

oh, and while i'm at it. humans know what babies and kids are, dogs don't. they see them as an outsider to the pack and they'll protect their turf, you need to introduce the child to the dog and show the dog that you, as pack leader, have accepted the child into the pack. you must also show that the baby is dominant over the dog as well.

I don't have much experience with that kind of dog, save a neighbor (ex-sherrif) three doors down. He had one, it got loose and killed another neighbor's dog. He put that one down and got another. Then the same thing happened. Twice. He's on his 4th one in 12 years.

"Cheesedick?" I've heard of erotic cakes, but erotic dairy products?

Knowing that the guy who agrees with me is intimately familiar with Dr. Phil episodes makes me rethink my entire position.

...This sounds like one of those endless stories you hear on those fake or small claims courtroom shows on daytime TV. I don't understand why small incidents need to be made into such huge circuses but maybe it's because I didn't feel persuaded to read through most of the links. I can't believe I actually spent time to read through those links.

Just SHOOT the dogs already! C'mon, 3yo kid gets put in ICU. What part of that does not compute! Either shoot the dogs or shoot the owners. At this rate, I'm inclined to think they should also shoot:

1. the police (abuse of powers, fabrication of the case/evidence)
2. the kid (prolly has same genes of stupidity as the owners, put him out of his various miseries of living with such dogs or such parents)

It's times like this I actually feel ashamed for be against fascism.

Like others have said, there's really not enough information from an unbiased source. However, if the police did serve the guy with a court order to impound and terminate a dog that wasn't even involved in the attack, that seems a little excessive to me.

Oh shut up. I didn't say I was intimately familiar with Dr. Phil or his show. I knew about *THAT* episode because I caught the gist of it while passing through the living room and it infuriated me so much, I had to know what was going on. Dr. Phil's an idiot, I don't give credence to his psycho-babble because he's a whackjob.

People like you make me rethink my position that there's any nice people online anymore. There was no need for that ignorant comment from you.

Just a joke, man. Sorry if I offended. I watch my fair share of Dr. Phil for the WTF factor. Dr Phil:Jerry Springer::Target:Wal-Mart

easy, Autobot32...

My take on this:

humans > dogs, no matter what. Some animal attacks my kid, it's done existing.

:Tazbot.

Given the fact that it may do so again to another. A d00d can say it will be removed and trained by another owner, but there's no guarantee the next owner will be any better, or that the animal can be retrained. I'm not into touchy feely animal crap so I don't have alot of sympathy for the animals side of the story.

actually 9 times out of 10 the animal can be properly rehabilitated. the human's just have some sort of Powerglideed up aggression issues and fail to recognize their own wrong doing. it's Powerglideed up that there are so many against the death penaltiy in humans, an animal that has a Powerglideing choice with little to no excuse, and when an animal does something wrong they want it murdered and tortured.

every single incident like this that i've ever heard has been due to irresponsibility. either by the owner of the animal or by the parent of the child. if an animal attacks a child theres ALWAYS a reason that it's done so.

Not that I'm doubting you, but do you have a source for this?


It's Powerglideed up some people apply the same moral standards to animals that they do to people. And I love animals.


We agree we shouldn't let this irresponsible pet owner keep his dog, right? Then who is going to care for/watch the animal once it is taken away? And on whose dime? I don't want my tax dollars paying to feed a homeless dog when there are homeless kids going to bed hungry. Killing the dog is the best course of action.

Not to gang up on Buddykiller here but I'd just like to remind that the term murder does not actually apply to pets:
"No person shall be.. deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.."
Some animals quite literally _are_ more equal than others. (Note that this statement is NOT an advocation of cruelty or abuse to pets or animals.)

I heard it in a movie... "Sixth Sense" I think. Don't know why it seemed appropo at the time.

This thread has shown me yet again that HUMANS = Blot.
Whats the first answer to any situation involving a dog bite? KILL IT!

No that is HORSE Blot, the report from the owner screams of TRUTH.

If you are behind a door and a Powerglideing dumbass todler bursts through it and knocks into you what do you do? a) hit the kid, b) shout at the kid c) nothing it wasnt the kids fault? Oh and DONT tell me that kids of that age have no concepts of right or wrong, why the Powerglide do they act scared or guilty when they do something wrong? Oh thats right they KNOW its wrong but do it anyway. Most dogbite cases usually feature a dog tormented beyond reason by a Rippersnappering brat whos parents should stop the brat, toddler pushes dog too far, dog reacts and bites toddler, brat is "sweet angel" and not to blame??

Dogs HAVE NO PowerglideING WAY OF SAYING DONT DO THAT I DONT LIKE IT IT HURTS. They have only 2 methods of displaying it, Growl or Nip. The kid was weaker than the dogs jaw muscles and that resulted in an accidental injury end of.. Wether the owner is a dick or not the report from the vet PROVES that the dog wasnt nasty or violent, POLICE WORLDWIDE are famous for comitting acts like this. POWER DOES CORRUPT ALL. How many times have people whos toddlers have been bitten by dogs campaigned for the dogs life to be spared? Quite a bloody lot! How many are successful? Virtually none. Why? oh its a Rottie their "evil" and "new evidence" turns up from no-where.

Hell man our now dead (R.I.P. TIM) Husky/Wolf bit me in anger once. I had been pissing round in the kitchen and slipped on the floor landing on his tail he bit me, hurt like Powerglide, I still have the scars on my hand from it. I didnt do anything more than give him a slap to the nose(NOT SHAKE THEIR PowerglideING NECKS, DOGS BITE THEIR PUPS OR SMACK THEM WITH THEIR PAWS ON THE NOSE) and locked him in the kitchen for an hour. After bandaging my hand I waited an hour and went into the kitchen and sat on the floor and Tim came over and I gave him a hug.

A dog bite is one thing.

A dog who grabs a kid by his torso, shakes him around, and will only let go when hit with a chair several times is completely another.

And where does that info come from? A police source? The family? Not the family as they have put a full report on their site.

Um, the news report in the second link in my first post? And the newspaper article, which I'll gladly post once I get a copy from my employee.

Come back when you have kids of your own, we'll talk then.

I think it's clear this guy was not responsible with his dog by having it and a three year old both wandering around without him knowing where one/both was.

I'd like to challenge those advocating the dog's survival and responsible pet ownership to contact the owner and municipal authorities involved with an offer to take Zeus into your care. Irresponsible pet owner loses pet, dog gets to live, everyone wins.

This is a touchy topic.

I know that feeling.


3 methods, actually.

Growl, Nip, Put in ICU. It's not that the kid was weaker than the dog's nip. He had bites on his torso, arm and face.

I don't put animals and humans on the same level. Not even close. And I'm not sure where anyone's advocating torture in this thread.



I've heard enough "out of nowhere" attacks by dogs who were supposedly well behaved and well looked after to believe otherwise. Either these d00ds are full of Blot or what you're suggesting is inconclusive on the matter.

i know i've heard it from multiple sources. both television shows and various other documents on properly training and humanely disciplining dogs. if it's a big issue i will dig around and see if i can find a few. i have a really bad memory when it comes to stuff like that.



excuse me if i sound overly new age-ish/hippiefied, but life is life. an animal can't be held to the same moral standards as a human because a human can make it's own choices and knows right from wrong. we expect an animal to conform and understand our standards of living. you have to realize just how difficult it is for an animal to do so and in most cases it's impossible. in the animal world when something hurts you you've got two options, submit to it or dominate it. unless you prepare your dog for a child it's not going to understand what that thing is.



the AHA is a non-profit organization that operates mostly on private donations. i really don't know if they receive any govt support. i'm sure if the man where to put it up for adoption and maybe advertise it theres at least a chance of some animal lover somewhere adopting it, most likely a rotty group. if the dog must be killed it shouldn't be shot by some ignorant cop or vigilante parent, it should be allowed to have a proper death and be humanely euthanized by a professional.





you can murder an animal tyvm.



first it was a grandmother that was hitting the dog, secondly that was probably the worst thing they could have done, as it only served to excite the dog more, thirdly thats how a dog bites.

how do you get a dog to let go of anything? do you start beating it or yelling at it? no, you grab the dog and pry it's mouth open, in a case such as this you'd even have access to the dogs tongue, pressing on the back of the dogs tongue pinning it to the bottom of the mouth causes the dog to choke and not be able to bite. try that sometime with your dog.



haha, if i could afford another dog i'd gladly offer to take it. it obviously needs a proper owner thats willing to take care of it, and my wife loves rotty's, but we've got two dogs and two cats i think we've got enough animals >_>



theres been many posts advocating the execution of the dog, and most of those posts using derrogatory terms for the animal, one even suggesting ripping it asunder. not one of them have suggested humane euthanization. your right, humans and animals arn't on the same level, animals have to rely on instinct and don't have any way of comprehending or sharing our moral standards.



give me one example of a domestic animal attacking somebody in which irresponsibility wasn't practiced.

Well, then, have any dog-defenders in this thread shot an e-mail to the AHA about the situation to try and help the dog, yet? Or have they been too busy analyzing the anger issues of the members of this board and declaring the human race to be equivalent to Blot to do that?


Much love to Buddykiller and Freefall, but you guys aren't exactly being part of the solution with the posts you've made here.

actually thats a good idea



well thats sorta why you grab the neck and shake, you emulate the mother dog's bite >_>

I've got a ton of 'em.

well, now let's see if i get some kind of automated response or if an actual person reads the email >_>

Wow, I wondered why this thread had so many posts, and I finally entered... >_<

Watch your kids, watch your dog, train both properly, there should be no problem.

I don't care if the toddler isn't being supervised and hits the dog and provokes it, there's no way it's more important than that kid. Sorry.

I'm not sure how humane euthenization and execution are any different.



That's not what I meant. But we'll never agree so I'm done with this point.



....VV


....then there's real life experiences and Blot. A dog that senses fear (Usually from a child) will chase them down on instinct. The only logical thing for a human/child to do rather than being mauled standing there is to run. Which naturally entices the dog even more. There's no fault to be layed here. The situation is what it is.

The dog would be euthanized, in as "humane" a manner as whatever authorities practice, regardless of any calls from overly angry members of the public to abuse or torture any of the dogs. As such, I think a court of law would disagree that putting the dog down in such a manner would constitute "murder". This is the legal definition we're talking about here -- the kid has the right to life; the dog does not. You can call it murder if you like but that's just as subjective a view as wanting the dog "torn to pieces".

an angry parent or police officer attempting to shoot a moving creature, and possibly missing is in no way humane.

Yes. Fortunately, better people than they or I would (should) be handling the euthanization. Unfortunately, the police department involved in this story have very questionable judgment (if the accusations levied against them are true).

Yet I find the dog owner's claims rather suspect, after seeing his page where he deliberately put up the "look-how-cute-our-doggies-are-how-could-they-ever-hurt-anyone" pics, that only mentions his grandson's trip to the ICU in passing and glosses over any details. He really comes off as valuing his dogs more than his grandson, which only loses him any sympathy points with most people. And that's aside from the fact that he was negligent and irresponsible enough to permit the situation to occur in the first place.

From my vantage point, my sincere appraisal is that all parties involved tried to escalate the situation into a showdown (both the dog owner, the police) or tried to cover their own asses after realizing they may have said too much (the officer Bruxton, or the vet).

I honestly have no sympathy for the dog. But if it's any concession, I'd say the dog is the second victim in this incident after the kid. And I feel more sympathy for the dog than I do for his idiot owner (if that's at all possible).

You can't have it both ways. If you want to treat a dog like a person, you have to assign it the *responsibilities* as well as the rights of a human. But to me, the very idea of putting a dog on an equal level with a human being is ludicrous. It's an animal. I'm not saying torture it (which is stupid and pointless), but I am definitely saying that it should not continue living. Prioritizing this situation correctly shouldn't really be that difficult IMO.

all i'm saying is don't blame the dog, blame the dog's owner and the child's parent or whoever happened to be watching it at the time, and i was commenting on how sad it is that the knee jerk reaction in these situations is always "bad evil mean dog kill kill kill" when they don't even know the situation. always in cases like this the animal is NEVER taken into consideration and in maybe one or two have i EVER seen the parent of the child blamed for their ignorance and laziness, and more often then not the judge and/or jury turns a blind eye to the situation of the owner or the dog because the evil dog hurt the precious innocent child. i've seen this with my own eyes.

yes, the child's welfare is ultimately more important than the animal's. it is an animal after all, but as an animal it depends on us, the owners, to be the responsible party. they can NOT understand or system of morals nor do they comprehend that a child doesn't know any better. so, as responsible pet owners and parents we're to teach BOTH the animal and the child how to properly handle the situation.

animals lack the ability to do intentional wrong, they do no understand the concept of wrong, just as a young babe doesn't. at last not in the way that we do. they know that doing something we don't want them to do causes us to do something to them that they don't like, but they don't understand that concept of right or wrong.

Which is why we need to control them. If something with no conscience attacks a person, it should be taken away from people, permanently.

the same could be same for the irresponsible parent that put their child at risk. i know it's not always this kind of a situation, they are animals after all and just like people, you do get bad apples, but the animal should be given the shadow of a doubt when the case is extremely isolated and an animal specialist can attest to the animals good behavior. punish the owner for his own Powerglide up, not the dog.

i'm not some hippie new ager, i agree that there are some times that there is no other recourse, and i understand that the animal shelters just can't put up the kind of money nor time required for dog rehabilitation and have no choice but to euthanize the dog. it's just that the amount of anger and hatred shown toward a living creature that was ignorant of it's wrong doing is just appalling. i shouldn't be surprised though, we are talking about humanity in all it's glorious splendor.

Thanks. That is about the dumbest thing I've read all week.

what's that? it's dumb to be calm in a situation that requires it? did you not pay attention in school when they taught you about the behaviors of animals? do you just watch cartoons all day long? ask an animal behaviorist, any time an animal is attacking someone or something being calm and collect can save a life. Powerglide, even people that fight dogs and could give a Blot less about the welfare of their animal knows the best way to get the dogs to stop bitting one another is to pry their mouth open, not beat the Powerglide out of them and start yelling and screaming like a madman.

*flame off*