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Lord Madhammer
http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/09/26...tore/index.html

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Amazon's MP3 store: Better than iTunes

I love the iTunes Music Store. When Apple CEO Steve Jobs unveiled the shop in the spring of 2003, I called it revolutionary, and who can argue that it's been anything but?

Still, iTunes has always seemed like a stopgap measure, something to tolerate until the music industry got its act together. I think of it, now, as a place to buy music that I like, but not a place to get music I love. If you love something you want a permanent copy, and music from iTunes is fundamentally ephemeral: Nearly everything you purchase from the store will never work on any device not made by Apple.

This week, Amazon launched a beta version of a music store that breaks this lock-in. All of Amazon's tracks are sold as unrestricted MP3s, free of Digital Rights Management, or DRM -- they will work on just about any music player in the world, including an iPod. The store marks iTunes' first real competition. In fact, I think it kicks iTunes' buttons.

First a quick comparison:
  • Song quality: Amazon's store sells MP3 tracks encoded at a 256 kbps variable bit rate, while most songs on iTunes are encoded as AAC files with a bit rate of 128 kbps. Audiophiles can argue forever on the merits of higher-bit MP3s versus lower-bit AACs, but in listening to the same song purchased from each store -- Amy Winehouse's "Rehab" -- I couldn't tell a difference.
  • Price: Most tracks on iTunes go for 99 cents, while full albums sell for $9.99. Amazon typically beats these prices -- most of its tracks are priced at $0.89, and albums are $8.99. And there are some really great deals: "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness," Smashing Pumpkins' 1995 double album, is just $8.99, DRM-free, on Amazon. On iTunes it's $19.99.
  • Ease of use: iTunes is popular mainly because it's drop-dead simple. You buy a song with one click, and because it's integrated into your music player, you never have to fiddle with files on your hard drive to get the songs into your iPod. Amazon matches this performance. The store is on the Web, but after you download a small companion program -- works on Windows and Mac -- you can reproduce the same one-click experience you've come to love in Apple's store (the app automatically adds purchased files to iTunes or another favorite music player). Amazon's store also lets you search for and preview music just as easily as in iTunes.
  • Selection: With 6 million songs, iTunes is the clear winner; it has music from all major labels as well as a king's bounty of indies. Amazon has only 2 million tracks, with music provided by just two major labels -- EMI and Universal. Obviously, then, there are a lot of songs you'll find on iTunes that you won't find on Amazon. Of the top five songs on iTunes, two tracks -- the No. 1 song, Atlanta rapper Soulja Boy Tell 'Em's "Crank That," and "How Far We've Come" by Matchbox Twenty, which is No. 4 -- aren't on Amazon. But Amazon does seem to have a lot of top hits, and it even has some artists that iTunes doesn't have. For instance, you can buy each of Radiohead's albums on Amazon for just $8.99; not one is on iTunes.
From these specs the two seem evenly matched. But here's the main way Amazon runs circles around iTunes: Psychic well-being. I kid you not, shopping for digital music at Amazon simply feels better than shopping on iTunes. That's because everything is unrestricted. You don't have to consider where you're going to play the songs or if you plan to keep them for the long run. Everything just works, and it'll work forever -- or at least as long as music players still recognize the free, open standard of MP3s.

Most of the tracks on iTunes, meanwhile, are gummed up by Apple's copy-protection scheme, called FairPlay. Under these restrictions, you can put your songs on just five computers at a time; make only seven CD copies of a particular playlist; and, if you want to go mobile, the iPod and iPhone are your only option.

Apple's fans are going to write in to tell me two things: 1) iTunes also has some unrestricted tracks, and 2) it's not Apple's fault that it has to sell restricted music -- the recording industry wants it that way.

Yes and yes. Earlier this year Jobs penned a famous missive asking record companies to abolish DRM; considering that they already sell all their songs on CDs without restrictions, it didn't make any sense, he argued, for them to insist on DRM for downloads. Shortly afterward, EMI signed up to Jobs' plan, and now, in fact, you can buy unrestricted copies of EMI's music from the iTunes store.

But you pay extra for that privilege. Unrestricted tracks on iTunes -- what Apple calls iTunes Plus -- go for $1.29 each. At Amazon unlocked songs aren't an extra option. Freedom is a fundamental value of the store, and every song you see there is playable any way you like.

Amazon also has more unrestricted tracks than Apple. Universal Music Group -- which is feuding with Apple -- is providing DRM-free songs to Amazon and other online stores, but not to Apple. As David Kravets points out in Wired, Edgar Bronfman Jr., the chairman of Warner Music Group, recently expressed concerns about Apple's growing power in the music business; it seems that Bronfman might soon make Warner's music DRM-free as well.

Bully for him, bully for Amazon, and bully for competition, I say. As wonderful as it has been to see Apple change the music business -- and make no mistake, that's what it did; Amazon's store is only possible because Apple paved the way -- nobody benefits from a digital-music monopoly.

From now on when I look for music, I'm going to go to Amazon first. Only if I don't find something there will I think about buying from iTunes. If you value your freedom, I recommend you do the same. Take a look at Amazon's MP3 store here.


I just downloaded a song for 89 cents with no DRM. w00t
Ultimate mecha sonic
all the songs i downloaded for my ipod i just saved to my computer and import to my ipod
Buddykiller
nice, still a bit pricey JMO, but nice none the less, a digital album shouldn't cost over $5 in my opinion. the icing on the cake though would be 320kbps cbr mp3s.

pete, did you have to use the program or could you do it without it? theres a bunch of really hard to find stuff i'd actually consider buying if i didn't have to fool with crappy additional software and such.
Lord Madhammer
You don't have to use Amazon's downloader. It's just an ease-of-use optional feature.
Buddykiller
cool, thats awesome. theres a few older or more avante garde albums that i just can't find ANYWHERE online. i'll have to see if they've got them available for download here.

edit

they have btfabg, i think i'll be buying some mp3s for the first Powerglideing time in my life.

editing again

hmmm, i wonder if these are digitally watermarked

editing yet again

curse you pete, now there are at least 3 albums that i have to purchase -_- oh well it'll gimme something to do if i can't find any tfs.
Asthaloth
Am I to assume that it is US only as yet?
ROSEDOGGYDOG
w00t indeed! I never been a fan of apple and I'm proud not to own an ipod. This amazon service sounds like the perfect marriage for my czv:m, they just work period! With Car Audio Manufactures now going away from ipod only connections and to a universal usb plug (thank you Pioneer and Kenwood) its now a triple threat.
Buddykiller
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Sep 28 2007, 01:34 PM) *
w00t indeed! I never been a fan of apple and I'm proud not to own an ipod. This amazon service sounds like the perfect marriage for my czv:m, they just work period! With Car Audio Manufactures now going away from ipod only connections and to a universal usb plug (thank you Pioneer and Kenwood) its now a triple threat.


Powerglide man, the after-market's been on that Blot for years. not just usb capabilities either, most of even the lower range mp3 capable HU's offer memory card compatibility as well.

my next radio will have both usb and memory card functions, mark my words.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
I know there have been other head units with some of functionalities but when I hooked my external hard drive up to my Premier DEH-P600UB and it read I knew it was for me.

This however will spike the biggest change probably in the major car audio manufactures:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/26/parrots...ith-everything/
Sularias
Wow I hate having to go in and break all that DRM stuff so this is a big plus for me.
Sularias
I just went and gave em my business. And so begins my complete boycot of DRM download music services.
Buddykiller
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 1 2007, 01:27 AM) *
I know there have been other head units with some of functionalities but when I hooked my external hard drive up to my Premier DEH-P600UB and it read I knew it was for me.

This however will spike the biggest change probably in the major car audio manufactures:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/26/parrots...ith-everything/

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or around $302


i can't find any specs at all, but they don't even list a sn ratio for their other stuff, and it's only got 1 preamp out. doesn't mention the voltage either. for that kind of price with that many gadgets, i'm guessing she doesn't sound all that great.

however, i could always be wrong. the 2gb of on board is nice though.
DarkNarcoleptic
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302
Buddykiller
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 1 2007, 04:45 PM) *
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302


it all comes down to quality. the price given was GBP so i'm guessing the price is a bit inflated, from what i've seen (and i havn't seen much, only a few folks posting about electronics) electronics tend to be more expensive over there. it looks a little big though which could be a problem for those whose OEM HU is DIN size.

but yea, you can go to walmart and pick up a $150 radio with all kinds of gadgets and a neat little display and all that, doesn't mean it sounds very good though.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302


What is it and where did you buy it? I'm surprised if it really has all of those features (with the exeption of onboard storage).

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A USB port, SD card reader, line-in jack, iPod connector and A2DP Bluetooth stereo wireless connectivity accommodate all manner of digital music sources. There is even a storage space behind the faceplate where something archaic like a CD player's internals would normally go. As if that weren’t enough, there’s also internal memory for "over 300 Mp3's" (roughly 1.5 – 2GB).

Pair the RK8200 with your Bluetooth enabled mobile phone, and you'll get automatic phonebook synchronization with a total storage capacity of 8,000 contacts, hands free calling, voice recognition, and intelligent microphone switching with noise reduction to ensure the best possible call quality


As for Amazons Music store, I gave it a shot today...NICE.
Buddykiller
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 1 2007, 06:23 PM) *
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302


What is it and where did you buy it? I'm surprised if it really has all of those features (with the exeption of onboard storage).

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A USB port, SD card reader, line-in jack, iPod connector and A2DP Bluetooth stereo wireless connectivity accommodate all manner of digital music sources. There is even a storage space behind the faceplate where something archaic like a CD player's internals would normally go. As if that weren’t enough, there’s also internal memory for "over 300 Mp3's" (roughly 1.5 – 2GB).

Pair the RK8200 with your Bluetooth enabled mobile phone, and you'll get automatic phonebook synchronization with a total storage capacity of 8,000 contacts, hands free calling, voice recognition, and intelligent microphone switching with noise reduction to ensure the best possible call quality


As for Amazons Music store, I gave it a shot today...NICE.


me and a friend was talking about her mom's suv having bluetooth and it would automatically do your phone over the radio system, that would suck jmo. i've got a rule about cell phones in my car. unless somebodies dying, you don't answer the damn thing. if you don't get off fast, the radio goes back to normal volume, and i havn't met anybody yet that can hear a cell phone over that >_>

as for the radio, i want some real specs on the damn thing, couldn't find them in the first 3 pages on google for rk8200, and wait a damn minute, it doesn't even feature cd playback? talk about a Powerglideing rip off.

i wouldn't care if it could beam in reception from mars honestly, without specs it's all words.

as soon as i get 08bb i'm getting at least two albums from this thing, nothing till i get that damn toy though.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
Why would you need to play a CD? Yes, they're good for backups and all (at that point DVDs would be better) but using a service like Amazons helps to bypass needing them to listen to your music.

I used to have a CD changer in my truck but thats because the tech. hadn't caught on at the time. Now its PMP's and HDDs.
Buddykiller
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 1 2007, 08:10 PM) *
Why would you need to play a CD? Yes, they're good for backups and all (at that point DVDs would be better) but using a service like Amazons helps to bypass needing them to listen to your music.

I used to have a CD changer in my truck but thats because the tech. hadn't caught on at the time. Now its PMP's and HDDs.


because i don't wanna shell out the cash for an mp3 player? and what if i buy a cd, i'd at least wanna listen to it on the way home before i rip it and put it away for safe keeping. idk damnit i just like cds. oh well, i'm not going to be using them as soon as i do replace my HU, i'm going strait usb/memory card seeing as how i'll soon have a 160gb portable hdd >_>

not to mention for that kinda price tag i'd feel ripped off without it
Evil Claudia
No DRM is what does it for me, heh-heh.
I'm a regular customer at Amazon, but I haven't checked if the service is available outside the US. It probably won't.
Buddykiller
i'd say a proxies worth a shot if it isn't available outside the us
DarkNarcoleptic
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 1 2007, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302


What is it and where did you buy it? I'm surprised if it really has all of those features (with the exeption of onboard storage).

Buddykiller guessed it...Walmart (online) optimuslaugh2.gif

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5645793

It's actually a divison of Roadmaster, who makes decent cheap electronics. http://www.roadmasterusa.com/stereos_car_vr3.php

The funny thing is, those pictures are all incorrect...the actually stereo looks like this.



Is it cheap? Yeah. Does it work? Flawlessly. Function>Form for me. I am in absolute shock it works as well as it does. The only downside IMO is no HD radio for the tuner (and of course, no 2 GB internal storage optimuslaugh2.gif ). I tried finding reviews for it before I bought it a few months ago, but there were only a small handful, and they hadn't had it long either. Apparently it's new on the market so sayeth the company. But yeah, no complaints so far.
Hunter Rose
I always burn my itune purchases to a CRRW and then load it back into WM as an MP3 so this is definitely interesting!
(although, once you do that - the whole DRM stuff is moot and a CDRW is reusable)
Buddykiller
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 2 2007, 01:54 AM) *
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 1 2007, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 1 2007, 01:45 PM) *
For $148 I have all in my car stereo of that minus the 2GB storage. rolleyestf.gif $302


What is it and where did you buy it? I'm surprised if it really has all of those features (with the exeption of onboard storage).

Buddykiller guessed it...Walmart (online) optimuslaugh2.gif

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5645793

It's actually a divison of Roadmaster, who makes decent cheap electronics. http://www.roadmasterusa.com/stereos_car_vr3.php

The funny thing is, those pictures are all incorrect...the actually stereo looks like this.



Is it cheap? Yeah. Does it work? Flawlessly. Function>Form for me. I am in absolute shock it works as well as it does. The only downside IMO is no HD radio for the tuner (and of course, no 2 GB internal storage optimuslaugh2.gif ). I tried finding reviews for it before I bought it a few months ago, but there were only a small handful, and they hadn't had it long either. Apparently it's new on the market so sayeth the company. But yeah, no complaints so far.


oh boy... i'm placing my bets that the thing isn't going to last a year. roadmaster is the Blottiest of Blotty brands. don't think i'm being all uppity either, because i cut as many corners as i can, but that radio probably has an EXTREMELY low signal to noise ratio, 2 volt preamp outs, and probably something around 15xr wrms.

my first aftermarket HU was an el-cheapo from walmart. it was doing fine for the first 4 months, then after that the display starting coming and going, the front left channel went out, and then finally it just decided to not play 80% of the cds i threw at it. i was stuck having to shop around for certain brands of media. finally by birthday rolled back around and i was able to get a proper HU. it's cheap, however, the s/n ratio isn't bad at all (it's not eclipse quality, but good esp for the price), it has 3 sets of 4v preamp outs (well, i accidentally burned out the sw pre out >_>), and it's played every brand of media i've thrown at it burnt at any speed i've thrown at it. the biggest improvement where the preamps, wow it's nice having a good clean strong signal.

i don't have the cash yet nor the means to gather the cash so i havn't looked into it, but i'm hoping eclipse has something with memory card / usb support, 8v preamp outs *drools*

oh wow that got off topic, yea, how about that amazon?
Lord Madhammer
speaking of Amazon, I just got this thing in the e-mails about uploading music you've recorded to Amazon's MP3 store... so I did. It should show up in a month or so. Now you guys can pay for my stuff, lol
DarkNarcoleptic
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 2 2007, 03:30 AM) *
oh boy... i'm placing my bets that the thing isn't going to last a year. roadmaster is the Blottiest of Blotty brands. don't think i'm being all uppity either, because i cut as many corners as i can, but that radio probably has an EXTREMELY low signal to noise ratio, 2 volt preamp outs, and probably something around 15xr wrms.

my first aftermarket HU was an el-cheapo from walmart. it was doing fine for the first 4 months, then after that the display starting coming and going, the front left channel went out, and then finally it just decided to not play 80% of the cds i threw at it. i was stuck having to shop around for certain brands of media. finally by birthday rolled back around and i was able to get a proper HU. it's cheap, however, the s/n ratio isn't bad at all (it's not eclipse quality, but good esp for the price), it has 3 sets of 4v preamp outs (well, i accidentally burned out the sw pre out >_>), and it's played every brand of media i've thrown at it burnt at any speed i've thrown at it. the biggest improvement where the preamps, wow it's nice having a good clean strong signal.

i don't have the cash yet nor the means to gather the cash so i havn't looked into it, but i'm hoping eclipse has something with memory card / usb support, 8v preamp outs *drools*

Suit yourself...it works for me just fine. Here's some info. I'll have to look at my manual when I get home for more actual specs.

• Hi-Speed Connection
• Compatible with all Bluetooth Phones
• Internal and External Microphone Included
• Incoming Call Number Display
• Dial, Answer, and Hang Up from the Front Panel or Remote
• Plug N’ Play™ your MP3‘s and WMAs, Wire-Free from your USBFlash Drive and SD Card
• Compatible with MP3, WMA and CD/CD-R/CD-RW
• Stereo/AUX Input
• 30 Preset Stations
• 4 Speaker Channels
• 2 Channel RCA Preamp Outputs
•*180 Watts Total Maximum Power (4x45 Watts)
• 4 X 21 Watts RMS
• Electronic Detachable Face Plate

QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Oct 2 2007, 05:27 PM) *
speaking of Amazon, I just got this thing in the e-mails about uploading music you've recorded to Amazon's MP3 store... so I did. It should show up in a month or so. Now you guys can pay for my stuff, lol

laughlol.gif That's bizzare
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 2 2007, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 2 2007, 03:30 AM) *
oh boy... i'm placing my bets that the thing isn't going to last a year. roadmaster is the Blottiest of Blotty brands. don't think i'm being all uppity either, because i cut as many corners as i can, but that radio probably has an EXTREMELY low signal to noise ratio, 2 volt preamp outs, and probably something around 15xr wrms.

my first aftermarket HU was an el-cheapo from walmart. it was doing fine for the first 4 months, then after that the display starting coming and going, the front left channel went out, and then finally it just decided to not play 80% of the cds i threw at it. i was stuck having to shop around for certain brands of media. finally by birthday rolled back around and i was able to get a proper HU. it's cheap, however, the s/n ratio isn't bad at all (it's not eclipse quality, but good esp for the price), it has 3 sets of 4v preamp outs (well, i accidentally burned out the sw pre out >_>), and it's played every brand of media i've thrown at it burnt at any speed i've thrown at it. the biggest improvement where the preamps, wow it's nice having a good clean strong signal.

i don't have the cash yet nor the means to gather the cash so i havn't looked into it, but i'm hoping eclipse has something with memory card / usb support, 8v preamp outs *drools*

Suit yourself...it works for me just fine. Here's some info. I'll have to look at my manual when I get home for more actual specs.

• Hi-Speed Connection
• Compatible with all Bluetooth Phones
• Internal and External Microphone Included
• Incoming Call Number Display
• Dial, Answer, and Hang Up from the Front Panel or Remote
• Plug N’ Play™ your MP3‘s and WMAs, Wire-Free from your USBFlash Drive and SD Card
• Compatible with MP3, WMA and CD/CD-R/CD-RW
• Stereo/AUX Input
• 30 Preset Stations
• 4 Speaker Channels
• 2 Channel RCA Preamp Outputs
•*180 Watts Total Maximum Power (4x45 Watts)
• 4 X 21 Watts RMS
• Electronic Detachable Face Plate

QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Oct 2 2007, 05:27 PM) *
speaking of Amazon, I just got this thing in the e-mails about uploading music you've recorded to Amazon's MP3 store... so I did. It should show up in a month or so. Now you guys can pay for my stuff, lol

laughlol.gif That's bizzare


I've seen that brand in Target. What I like about companies like these from what I can tell, is that they kick the big companies in the pants and force change.

Does it say it supports A2DP Bluetooth or is it just BT? A2DP BT allows streaming from what I know. I ran into this problem when I bought my Palm Treo 750. I now need to upgrade my headset to one that supports A2DP.

Also whats the power supply on the usb port? I don't think its powerful enough to power an external HDD. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Pioneer and Kenwood are only powerful enough to read from a 4200rmp HDD from my testing.

As I've said before, I like this service from Amazon. No DRM just means easy of use with multiple devices, as it should be. With their cheaper pricing they should be a real powerhouse soon enough, hopefully their prices will drop a little more (I doubt it, but still).

LM -
So does that mean you'll get a cut of each track of yours that sells or are they free for d/ling? I have yet to get this email.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 2 2007, 07:33 PM) *
LM -
So does that mean you'll get a cut of each track of yours that sells or are they free for d/ling? I have yet to get this email.

oh it's not an Amazon thing... but they do have a promotional thing going on b/c of the Amazon store. It's www.tunecore.com; they hook you up with all kinds of online music stores. You do get the proceeds from song sales. Not that I'm expecting to strike it rich or anything; it's just something I felt like doing.
DarkNarcoleptic
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 2 2007, 08:33 PM) *
Does it say it supports A2DP Bluetooth or is it just BT? A2DP BT allows streaming from what I know. I ran into this problem when I bought my Palm Treo 750. I now need to upgrade my headset to one that supports A2DP.

Also whats the power supply on the usb port? I don't think its powerful enough to power an external HDD. I could be wrong but I doubt it. Pioneer and Kenwood are only powerful enough to read from a 4200rmp HDD from my testing.

It does support A2DP. I've been playing music from my LG VX9900. The manual says it only supports up to 1GB for SD/MMC, but I'm not sure if that goes for the USB drive as well. On a "related to this topic" note, the stereo will not play DRM files. optimuslaugh2.gif
Lord Madhammer
I still don't get how Amazon managed to pull that one off...

edit: n/m, I guess I should read the links in the article sometime <_<
Buddykiller
guys, seriously, it's roadmaster, they are NOT the first to get that stuff, you guys just don't keep up with car audio stuffs.

oh and for the record, i'm not bashing, i've had experience, painful experience. $100 bucks might not be alot to most folks, but it's a bunch to me.

QUOTE ("DN")
On a "related to this topic" note, the stereo will not play DRM files.


lmao, i don't know if my old one would or not, hell i don't even know if my new one will, i don't have to worry about drm where i get my stuff from >_>

LMH, what kinda stuff do you play?
DarkNarcoleptic
optimuslaugh2.gif That's fine, I just hadn't seen all those features combined in one [cheap] package before. You're totally cool to hate and not buy it.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 4 2007, 12:02 PM) *
guys, seriously, it's roadmaster, they are NOT the first to get that stuff, you guys just don't keep up with car audio stuffs.

oh and for the record, i'm not bashing, i've had experience, painful experience. $100 bucks might not be alot to most folks, but it's a bunch to me.

QUOTE ("DN")
On a "related to this topic" note, the stereo will not play DRM files.


lmao, i don't know if my old one would or not, hell i don't even know if my new one will, i don't have to worry about drm where i get my stuff from >_>

LMH, what kinda stuff do you play?

mostly black metal



optimuslaugh2.gif j/k it's more like prog rock without so much prog
Hunter Rose
QUOTE (Lord Madhammer @ Oct 4 2007, 10:29 AM) *
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 4 2007, 12:02 PM) *
guys, seriously, it's roadmaster, they are NOT the first to get that stuff, you guys just don't keep up with car audio stuffs.

oh and for the record, i'm not bashing, i've had experience, painful experience. $100 bucks might not be alot to most folks, but it's a bunch to me.

QUOTE ("DN")
On a "related to this topic" note, the stereo will not play DRM files.


lmao, i don't know if my old one would or not, hell i don't even know if my new one will, i don't have to worry about drm where i get my stuff from >_>

LMH, what kinda stuff do you play?

mostly black metal



optimuslaugh2.gif j/k it's more like prog rock without so much prog


and 10% more Jeebus

Its good though - I have his Double Album and liner notes (though not the album cover rumblecry.gif)
To me it sounds like Early Genesis (and i do mean early, like before Peter Gabriel left and Phil collins started sucking the Disney C*ck)
DarkNarcoleptic
Wow...I just had a mental image of Phil Collins sucking Mickey Mouse's wang while Michael Eisner laughs in the background. 0_o
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 4 2007, 11:02 AM) *
guys, seriously, it's roadmaster, they are NOT the first to get that stuff, you guys just don't keep up with car audio stuffs.


Don't speak for me, I'm very much up on stuff. It took me a long time to upgrade from my Sony ES because I could never find the features that I wanted in a unit until I found my Premier DEH-P6900UB Head Unit. It such a great unit I put one in my wifes SUV also. Check it. I'm not big on Kennwood because their display looks like a bad 80's VCR readout.

My next want is to put an auto pc in my truck.
Hunter Rose
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 4 2007, 11:23 AM) *
Wow...I just had a mental image of Phil Collins sucking Mickey Mouse's wang while Michael Eisner laughs in the background. 0_o

Well good then, My work here is done!
Buddykiller
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Oct 4 2007, 03:33 PM) *
QUOTE (Buddykiller @ Oct 4 2007, 11:02 AM) *
guys, seriously, it's roadmaster, they are NOT the first to get that stuff, you guys just don't keep up with car audio stuffs.


Don't speak for me, I'm very much up on stuff. It took me a long time to upgrade from my Sony ES because I could never find the features that I wanted in a unit until I found my Premier DEH-P6900UB Head Unit. It such a great unit I put one in my wifes SUV also. Check it. I'm not big on Kennwood because their display looks like a bad 80's VCR readout.

My next want is to put an auto pc in my truck.


i want an eclipse HU so Powerglideing bad, but they're so expenisve. 5volt preamps *drools* the one i want ubber bad is the cd7100 which has 8v preamps

http://www.eclipse-web.com/cd/cd7100overviews.html

but i'm going to go for something good yet cheap, i won't go below 4v preamps though. i don't care about how many stupid watts it does, by the time i replace it i'll have everything externally amplified. i'm def getting one with usb in because as soon as i replace my current secondary hdd i'm making it into an external so i'll have an external 160gb hdd, so i'll be able to plug n play.

oh, and i was talking about this comment

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they kick the big companies in the pants and force change.


most of these "big" companies make this cheap Blot, they just use inferior products and things like that. for example, i forget which company it is, but RF actually makes their amps. i hate RF stuff, but their amps kick ass, i just can't remember who it is. i do know however that HiFonics, MbQuart, Crunch, and Autotek are all manufactured by Maxxsonics. right now i'm running all audiobahn stuff. i love their woofers but man their intake amps blow chunks hardcore. i can't even listen to metal for an extended period of time without them overheating that damn fan does nothing. i really wish i'd have gotten the high current amp instead. i'm currently trying to save up for an XX Zeus seeing as how one of my other amps crapped out on me. eventually i'm wanting 2 12" FI Fully Loaded BTL's with 1 XX Zeus each (i'll then have plenty of room for power upgrade).
DarkNarcoleptic
I'm pretty sure I'll never need 160 gig of anything in my car. Especially when I don't drive more than 5-10 miles in a day. optimuslaugh2.gif
Buddykiller
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Oct 4 2007, 09:41 PM) *
I'm pretty sure I'll never need 160 gig of anything in my car. Especially when I don't drive more than 5-10 miles in a day. optimuslaugh2.gif


as of right now my collection can't grow anymore until i replace the 160gb drive, then i'll probably get another 200 in no time. so yup, i can really use 160 in the car, i've got so many mp3 cds it's ridiculous.
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