I want to know how many people feel hotshot should have been in the movie instead of bumblebee because I don't hotshot is kind of new and bumblebee is g1 hotshot does not deserve to have been or be in any of the movie yet

I don't mind Hot Shot. He's a laterday Hot Rod in a lot of ways, especially his Armada self. But he wouldn't have fit in with the rest of the Autobot cast, who were first of all, all G1 characters that were also all part of the first year of figures and in the first episode of the show as well.

What does Bumblebee have that Hot Shot doesn't. IMO, common sense. Especially over his Armada self does BB have more common sense than Hot Shot. Bumblebee usually goes in with a plan of sorts...Hot Shot didn't always use his head which is what got him into a lot of the trouble he got into during the early part of Armada.

Also, we've been in need of a well done Bumblebee for a while. And aside from Classics, this one does the job perfectly IMO.

Hot Shot, though not named as such and named either Rodimus or Hot Rod, should maybe be in one of the other movies that we know is coming. Maybe the threequel.

hot shot was the eqivilent of bumblebee and hot rod in the A/E/C series.

I'd add that Hot Shot's "10 years later" maturity displayed in Energon resulted in a character that was essentially identical to movie Bumblebee.

But... the movie is a G1 redux. Hot Shot is not G1. Thank god.

Hot Shot reminded me of Cheetor more then anything else.

How they matured later in the series.

It should have been Bumblebee. Period. Bumblebee had a deeper connection with the Human lead character. He didn't spend all his time trying to prove himself like Hotshot Did. He also (in toon continuity) wasn't thrown in situation where head had to be the leader.

Triple B owns HS. PERIOD.

They're all G1 redux.


If you recall, on Don Murphy's website he once floated the question about the acceptability of HotShot for the movie, which seemed to be indicative of pressure from Hasbro for his inclusion. Of course, the idea was shot down by the rabid fanboiz who inhabited that board, so they basically just stuck in a HotShot-esque character anyway and called him Bumblebee.


I'm not so sure of that. I seem to recall that G1 Bumblebee was a pretty earnest, eager-to-please kind of guy.

Also, by the time Energon rolled around HotShot was pretty much just one of Optimus' seasoned, trusted warriors and had completely lost the "need to prove himself" angle (since that was Energon Ironhide's role in that particular series).

Exactly, that's why Hollow Prime is incorrect. Hot Shot was in the movie, they just renamed him Bumblebee because Hasbro thought hat would be enough to fool the fanboys. I'm sorry to say that I seem to be the only person who didn't fall for this half-assed bait-and-switch.

A person like hot shot was in the movie if I am correct (hot shot go fast)in the movie I did not see him really go fast in a way where he only thought about it this is cybertron hot shot armada hot shot really wanted to prove himself and energon well I don't remember some one fill in the gap

Well aren't you just better than everyone Hornet?

And - Hot Shot is just Hot Rod + Bumblebee - so it doesn't really matter. Movie Bumblebee was Movie Bumblebee, get over it.

But if Movie Bumbles was really meant to be Hot Shot Re-Dux, I'm sure we'd have seen him go through a moment of ignoring orders and human safety to try to fight Bonecrusher or Starscream or someone (as in leaving Sam in a dangerous position to try to drop kick Starscream or some Blot).

This does not describe Energon Hotshot, who was a solid, cool-headed member of Optimus' team compared to his "younger" Armada/Cybertron incarnations - the order ignoring impetuous youth was Energon Ironhide.

Keep in mind that Energon was the most recent version of Transformers when the movie was written and it's easier to make the connection (I imagine that Energon also inspired the "motorcycle Arcee" that was originally going to be in the film).

Yep. Add Megatron as a Cybertonian jet, Starscream as a F-22 Raptor, Ironhide as a pickup truck, and you definitely see the connection.

I think that Hot Shot's defining trait is how he always acts so sub servant to the human characters. Bumblebee was the little kid who was eager to please the older Autobots. Hot Rod was the young, hot-headed rookie who would always jump into a situation without thinking. And Hot Shot was inexperienced, unsure of himself, and needed his human friends to teach him how to fight.

That's why the movie Ironhide toy repaint is blue.

Hot Shot was a whiney little Starscream (except in energon where he was a throwaway lieutenant). Movie Bumblebee was neither a whiney little Starscream nor a throwaway lieutenant.
Ergo, Movie Bumblebee =/= A/E/C Hot Shot

I disagree. Both Hot Shot and Movie-BB were whiney little Protectobots who needed their human team mates to tell them how to do everything, it's just not as obvious with Movie-BB because he couldn't talk so he couldn't whine out loud.

"Bumblebee is a brave soldier, this is what he would want."

- Movie Optimus, as he throws away Bumblebee...

WTF?? Are your referring to the same Bumblebee that handed Barricade's ass to him and shot the sh*t out of Brawl sans legs??

Even with the name change, you have retained your WTF factor...kudos!

Well with the second example, BB needed his human team mates to bail him out by having him crawl on top of a tow truck so they could maneuver him.

So how does this show he needed humans to show him how to fight?
Bumblebee just owned Brawl on his own, even if in his makeshift wheelchair. It's not like Bumblebee needed to be shown where and how to shoot Brawl, and Bumblebee's look to Mikela got her to snap out of it to drive so he could attack. Sure she said" I'll drive, you shoot", but Bumblebee's look made her snap out of her crying phase.

Well it's not like Bumblebee came up with the idea on his own. If Mikaela hadn't suggested "Hey Bumbles, get on the truck so you can keep fighting", BB probably would have just sat there, whining about how useless he is.

Seriously...WTF is wrong with you?
When did Movie Bumblebee whine at all? He never did. He beat Barricade, killed Brawl, and saved Sam twice.

I guess what's confusing me is that BB acted like a little lost puppy dog around Sam. Granted, it may not make him a whiney Starscream but he still displays a lack of back-bone and the only times he acts bravely is when Sam is in danger.

Me thinks you just didn't like the movie.

How the Powerglide did Bumblebee ever act like a lost puppy dog or never show backbone?
He scared away the dogs from Sam, slammed into Barricade to get Sam and Mikela, beat up Barricade, saved Mikela and Sam from fallign to their deaths, jumped up and immediately helped Ironhide set up a defensive versus Starscream's first attack, and he fought against Brawl with no legs.

Only times he could actually do anything but grunt, moan, scream, and cry out was when he was being captured/tortured by Sector Seven and then again when his legs were blown off! The rest of the time he never gave Sam or anyone sad puppy dog eyes and acted like he was some little pet.

EDIT -- Ah, Nevermind. Whatever, hate what you want no matter how irrational it seems to me*


*NOTE the me.

I don't normally like to slam people, we all have our oppinions, but the rubbish comming outa your keyboard re Bumblebee is crazy, Aquarion.

The loyal, capable, yet aggressive way Bumblebee was shown in the movie has made me love the character again after years of seeing him used as a cheap plot device , which is basically all HotShot is (IMO). The way Bumblebee TEAMED UP with the Humans was the core of the movie and was done very well indeed. If anything BB showed Sam how to fight, and it was BBs heroism that fueled Sams flight to save the Allspark from Megatron.

BB is awesome in the movie and your refferences to puppy dogs eyes are looneytoons I'm affraid old chap.

Hotshot in the movie would have been a disaster. Bumblebee has FAR more substance. He was finally portrayed how he should be. Yes he's young and strives to impress those he looks up to, but he's an intelligent and courageous warrior and is a far more interesting character than HotShot, or Hotrod for that matter.

Barricade might not have been the strongest 'con, but he was intimidating as hell. Any young gun standing up against that without a second thought has some huge steel balls. And If you jump legless on the back of a truck and start shooting a tank with feet three times your size you need another truck to carry your steel balls for you.

Alright, I'll admit I was wrong since I seem to be the only person arguing the point. Everyone else pretty much agrees that Movie-BB is a better character than Hot Shot.

Don't be sad, maybe you can get Tramp on your side. Make an argument pro mass-shifting, it's like rubbing the genie's lamp.

And BB is a better character then Hotshot, Hotshot is a backstabber. Leaving Wheeljack to die and stuff.

I agree with this.

That's just it, by saying "He was finally portrayed how he should be" sort of indicates that movie Bumblebee really isn't like G1 Bumblebee - and I doubt the characterization of "movie Bumblebee" would have been any different if he had been called "movie Hot Shot" or "movie Hot Rod."

I disagree Trench.
I think if he were Hot Shot or Hot Rod, he would have went through a redemption development by ignoring Sam's safety or Prime's orders and made a huge mistake, only to totally redeem himself at the end and regain Sam's trust. I also don't think he would have been "silent" either had he been named that. I think he would have been given a slighty loud and cocky voice and back-talk Prime and/or Jazz directly. JMO.

I think that the Movie characters are their own entities.
But i also think that the movie mythos should draw a little from all TF series.

I enjoy chatting about it but i dont understand the extra angst.

(of course it is hornet so.... whatever)

Don't forget that I'm making the comparison to Energon Hot Shot, as that's was the verison of Hot Shot who was prevelent at the time of the movie's writing. No redemption necessary with that character - as the traits you're describing had been transferred to Ironhide at that point.


This is basically what I believe, while some like to think of this as G1-redux, other than Prime no-one really has their G1 characterization.

The characterization in the movie was a lot closer to Bumblebee than A/E/Cs Hotshot character which is pretty much a revamp of G1s Hot Rod character.

Just because Bumblebee wasn't a frickn' bug doesn't make him in any way Hotshot. Just saying.

Well put sir! Wish my balls were as big as BBs!



I mean, I feel BB in the movie is more accruate to how I imagined the character would be from his original G1 techspecs, and how he occasionaly appeared in the UK comic. Alot of the time G1 BB wasn't done right. But, of course, it's all just MO and my own perception of who BB is.

Geez, you'd swear G1 Bumblebee wasn't brave or something the way people are saying movie Bumblebee's heroics werent true to character.

COURAGE: 10

first thing i thought of after seeing the film was my new found respect for the character of bumblebee. Yeah in the cartoon he was a weakling, getting captured and beaten up by the decepticon's, his character in the film was a combination of the G1 character (relationship with Spike/Sam) and Hotshot/Hotrod. I hope they don't bring in the hotrod character in any future films, movie bumblebee already fills that role.

I agree pretty much with this. Although I don't think movie BB was a combination of BB and Hotrod/Hotshot, I think he was pure BB how he was supposed to be going by his G1 techspecs. BB, as others have said, wouldn't, for example, go against orders and put others at risk to, say, prove himself like, perhaps, Hotrod/Hotshot would. But as you say, I gained a new love for the character all thanks to his role in the film.

I wasn't trying to draw any comparison's of him going against orders, i was trying to say that movie bumblebee was a combination of G1 BumbleBee and HS/HR by being the young bot out of the group. Yeah i should have made it clear. I do agree with what you said though, he was purely BB but a little more mature and not afraid to fight, like HS/HR

Oh, I just used the not following orders thing as an example. BB I don't think would ever go against orders, certainly if it put others at risk. Whereas Hotrod I think may do that. He'd think he was doing the right thing, or would just do it without thinking all hot headed like, as is his character. BB was great in the film. Look forward to seeing more of him portrayed like this.