Megatron told Sam that if he gave him the Allspark , he would let him live to be his pet. Do you think he really meant that? My first thought was "No way, he'd squash him like a bug as soon as he got what he wanted!". But, Megs did seem interested in what was driving Sam (fear or courage), and had ample opportunity to squash him and yet did not. Perhaps he really did want a pet Sam? I'd rather have Mikaela myself.

That was my favorite of Megatron's lines not the pet part but the "is if fear or courage" line. Pure Megatron (if "pure megatron" meant "Deadly bad ass")

and not "screechy dumbass"?


That was the only time I thought Hugo Weaving gave a bit of an Agent Smith delivery whilst voicing Megatron.

me too, that's probably why I like it so much

I quite liked that whole bit.

There's a part that you actually liked PC???
j/k.

It was a rather cool line.

To me, that line sounded like something Agent Smith would ask Neo. "WHY, WHY, WHY do you persist Mr. Anderson?!"

I like this thread though. What if Megs was really interested in Sam's courage in the face of Ultimate Doom....*runs off*

I think megs was lying through his silly teeth.

I think he was just trying to get the allspark as quick as possible without worrying about it being buried under rubble if he chose to just Blast Sam. I think that his anger got the better of him which is why he attacked, forgetting what he was even after in that moment. Since he could have just grabbed sam.

I think the writers didn't want Sam to die. Really, like you said, Megs had him cornered and he could have just grabbed him at any point.......or maybe he know Sam could kill him with it???

I don't know about you, but Shia Lebouf scares the sh-t outta me.

See - I disagree with this, because of Megatron's "So unwise." line right after Sam refuses to give the Allspark to him. He doesn't just attack, he half-snarls and speaks in a fairly calm tone of voice. I think he really was toying with the idea of how a human would react to being given a choice of possibly living or dying over the right or wrong thing to do. Since he seemed interested in Sam's motivations with his "Is it courage or fear that compels you fleshling?"

Maybe it's just me.

I think the courage or fear line was just to be mean and scary. Even if he kept him as a pet, I think it would be of the Weird Ed Edison pet variety.

...look it up.

I don't think he would have made him his pet. I think he just wanted to see how a human, who is defying him, would react to being giving the choice of survival vs destruction over what is right and wrong.

Megatron understands "Right and Wrong" like an ant understands Thursdays.

But Megs knows he's an evil badass that wants to kill people. So - yeah I think he knows right and wrong in the sense of having compassion and feelings for others, or not as the case is.

How do you figure? I think he just wants those mobile grease stains to get the hell out of his way.

Prime thinks we're Life. Megs thinks we're ambuliatory.

Megs knows he wants to kill the weak. He doesn't like Prime's feelings on protecting the weak. Megatron considers the weak pointless, despite whatever other reasons. If you want to follow the prequel comics, Megs and Prime ruled Cybertron together...so Megs became power-hungry and lost his compassion and became obsessed with nothing but power and destruction. So - yeah, Megatron knows life and such, but it doesn't mean he cares to bother working around it if he views it as weak.

Yeah, but hes more like a sociopath. He doesn't understand why he shouldn't be allowd to just kill whatever he wants.

Maybe so, doesn't mean he wouldn't be interested in seeing how something reacts to it's own possible death. Megs is Evil.

Yeah but I'd think he'd be just as interested in the noises it makes when you pull it's limbs off.

Why?

He (Megatron) consciously made a decision to use the allspark for war, he knowingly destroyed his home world, and knowingly tracked it to earth.
That shows that while he doesn't give a damn about the "Right" path, he is certainly aware of it.

Or do you feel that the Decepticons -as 'evil' characters- aren't Sentient? Simply animalistic?

Megatron knows exactly what he's doing. He's evil, sentient, believes Transformers to be superior, and wishes to conquer and rule the universe. Seems clear to me.

Saw the film today for 1st time. I love the roof top exchange between Sam and Megs. Very well done!

Sociopaths are sentient.

Courage or fear. I loved that line. Perhaps because he didn't have too many, but I didn't enjoy the line because it had any kind of Agent Smith feel. (not saying it did or didn't--just not how I took it) Just the delivery and everything. But also I like the concept of it--that sometimes courage is doing while very much afraid. In which case, which one is really driving you?

I didn't like how that scene ended, where he smashes the roof and forces Same to fall. Just reach out and grab the statue like you were doing a moment ago, Megs. I also agree that it was written that way because they couldn't just kill Sam.

Of course, the writer shouldn't have written that skit into a corner like that. (No pun there. Seriously...)

I prefer the short exchange between Megs ans Screamer at the dam, especially the "Willing to serve you Lord Megatron...".

Oops.. Double posted.. =X

I think Starscream actually says "I live to serve you, Lord Megatron". Screamer's lying through his teeth.

FYI in the context of the movie, he's not, we only assume that because we've been exposed to more TF media than the average movie goer. We have no idea what Bay intends for that relationship to be.

I base that on the prequel comics, which show he really had no interest in finding Megatron, only the Allspark.

I love how to discuss the Cons at all we need to bring in outside media.

We find out enough in Prime's back story to meet the requirements for the movie. Anything else is just blah. Bad guys don't get character build up.

Only the boss.

Wasn't there that released soundbyte sample of Starscream's voice, where he says "The Allspark will be mine," while laughing?

One can argue that since it didn't make it to the movie, it's not 'real.' But it can be an indication of where Bay might have wanted to take that.