on wikipedia.com i heard that they are planning to have soundwave dinobots and constucticons in the sequel. what do you think soundwave will transform into?

i hope he transforms into an F117 stealth plane as i think that suits him pretty well (solitary reconaisance etc) ans laserbeak could be a predator drone or something similar

x 10! Please, no magic-shrinky for Soundwave, or anyone else for that matter. Stealth fighter Soundwave will be awesome.

there are alot of options for pulling off soundwave, it all depends on how they plan on doing his transformation. we have already seen a giant cube turn into a small cube with the allspark, so they have a minor set up for mass shifting that could be exploited. if they go that route, they will need to make his first transformation slow so that people can see where all his parts are going to make it believable

How about a Pave Low helicopter? It could be slate blue, with black robot bits. Missiles would be over both shoulders, and his face would look VAGUELY like the decepticon symbol. He'd have yellow lined windows in chopper mode, and he'd launch an animal minion to chase down some humans during the course of the film.

Stop me if you heard this one.

A detachable head that transforms into a Boombox. His body transforms into a Hummer H2 SUT.

I thin they are test audienceing the hummer in the animated show...

The decepticons are in a vengeful mood. The autobots are in hiding, and the decepticons need a way to find them. Their only hope in rooting the autobots out of hiding.....Sam Witwicky.

I hope Soundwave arrives on earth near a vintage electronics store and scans an old tape recorder. I want him to be as we remember him. Sam is in college, he finds soundwave or in someway soundwave comes into his possesion and takes him to class for recording his professors instead of taking notes. While in Sam's possesion, soundwave finds where the autobots are, and transforms into robot mode in slow motion , as stated above, showing every detail MASS SHIFTING/GROWING into the Badass robot we all know and love. (A little homage to MTMTE where Spike finds a tapedeck and leaves it on Teletran 1.....for the slow people)

reasons for him being a tapedeck:
his primary fuction is espionage. he is trying to find out where the autobotts are. hard to do that when you are a stealth bomber or a hummer. autobots will see you coming a mile away.

its a GIANT ALIEN ROBOTS FROM OUTER SPACE movie...i think people take things too serious. As if Aien Robots was not reall enough, i doubt that a small tapedeck turning into a Giant Robot is going to make anyone complain. especially they do it in a great way. it could be done.

... Tramp's Corner is over that way.

^^^^ok and......

... because F-117s are used for recon all the time.

But really, for recon amongst normal humans, something we'd see everyday would be much more effective. Barricade and Frenzy were the only effective recon the Decepticons had in the first movie, and if Soundwave is to fit the recon role, he'll need to be something fairly common.

Actually though, I like the idea of Sam buying Soundwave and using him to record notes. It's a more plausable reason for Sam to have him than anything G1 threw at us, short of the notion that humans are obsessed with mysterious tapedecks.

Meh, I dunno. I just hope he's done well.

I really hope this does not happen.

Also, Soundwave never did any real spying on his own where his tape deck/recorder form was needed in the Cartoon. Laserbeak and Ravage did all the actual stealthy spying. Soundwave just used them to the 'Cons (and his own) advantage.

And as for Tramp's thoughts of Soundwave having to be an electronic device to do his function of Communications...
Well I state again, why not just have him have a super-advanced communications system within his own body that does incredible feats of communications. There is no true reason Soundwave needs to be a small electronic device in the movies other than staying slavishly close to G1.

But he's only trying to find the Autobots because you just made that up. There's a thousand different jobs he could pull off as a stealth bomber or hummer that could be just as important to the Decepticon cause.

Even if you argued the Autobots are hiding so well they need to be found, there's his tiny minions to do that job like they always did.

The thing that you guys are forgetting tough is that F-117's and Hummers, as well as any other type of vehicle are limited in where they can go, and are conspicuous depending on the type of vhecile combined with it's location. No vehicle can go inside a building except a garage, and dedicated communications vehicles and military vehicles are limited in where they can go and not draw attention to themselves. This means any recon or surveylance mission is limited to outdoors, and to certain locations. A stereo system can be found anywhere, indoors or outdoors, and blend into any surrounding. It is the perfect disguise. Also, Soundwave did indeed do his fair share of espionage and infiltration missions both with and without his minions.

^^^^yeah i made that up. Just as other are calling for a stealth bomber or hummer soundwave, i am calling for his orginal form. I just gave a reason on how this could work.

i would like to see Soundwave as he was. In the G1 episode, he used his altmode to gain access to the ark. why couldn't he do the same in the sequel? use his altmode to gain access to the autobots. I just think that having him as anything else would not make him Soundwave. Soundwave is perhaps the most recognizable transformer outside of Optimus Prime. People remember the red semi truck whop turns into a robot. people also remember the tapedeck robot with the small robot tapes ejecting from his chest. to have him as something other than a tapedeck does not, in my opinion, shout Soundwave. I was ok with megatron's change for the film. Soundwave, on the other hand, has got to be a tapedeck IMHO.

News Reel Truck.. Thats what I think he should be. Can be anywhere in the city, has an in on all information and goings on around town.

Yeah, sure.. not a glamorous alt mode, nor is it cool.. but you can't argue over the fact that in order for Tapey Soundwave to move on his own, he's gotta be a robot.. unless you're suggesting he be a tape deck with a pair of skates or something. In my honest opinion this suits him best.

I totally agree that Soundwave needs to be in the urban setting.. he can even pal around with Barricade and Frenzy.. cuz ya know, News Reel Trucks aren't too far behind the police. =)

...musn't...get dragged...back in...


AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!




The thing that you're forgetting is that no thirty foot robot can go inside a building except in crappy kids cartoons. If you want a tape deck Soundwave for that reason, then you also want a tiny, non mass shifting robot. You want movie Frenzy, and you already got him.



Soundwave's been a car and a weird missile truck and a stealth plane and soon a guitar playing Scion. They're all equally Soundwave, whether they're what people remember or not. A lot of things people remember didn't make it into this first movie...often for the better.

ok, no one outside of transformers fans remember the soundwave that "was a car, a weird missle truck and a stealth plane or the soon to be guitar playing Scion." This movie as the first one is not only being marketed or targeted to us fans, its for a broader audience. that broad audience whether people like to admit it or will recognize the tapedeck robot. and remember, the movie, admit it or not was an updated G1 film to an extent. it had enough G1 references to pass as one. As for his size, he doesn't have to be a thirty foot robot. I mean, how tall was Jazz? 12-15 feet tops.

A news truck would draw too much attention from onlookers. It is one of the most conspicuous alternate modes you copuld have. News trucks mean news story in progress, and that draws crowds. That is bad for stealth.



No. I want full mass conversion Soundwave, not permanently tiny robot. That means thirty foot tal robot transforming into normal sized decked out boombox.


Not really. none of those other "Soundwaves" are very well known or remembered except Cybertron, and that was a completely different character. It was Soundwave in name only. If you asked a hundred people who Soundwave was, at least 90 would say the G1 tape deck, not any of the other versions. His G1 form is his most iconic. The only reason why they didn't put Soundwave in the movie is they felt that having him be a tiny robot didn't fit the character. He needed mass conversion, and they felt they couldn't do that justice in the first movie with everything else they had to cover. IF you put too much into a single movie, everything suffers. It is better to save some things for a sequel.

I've been stewing an interesting idea for Soundwave...

Someone on the boards a while back suggested making Soundwave a combiner. Someone also suggested the Autobots use Hoover Dam as their new base. I ran with it:

Frenzy 'died' in the archives/electronics room, and somehow secretly grabs the Allspark Shard and gives life to the electronics. The Autobots investigate some sort of ruckus in that room and suddenly a mass of electronics swarms together, forming Soundwave. He announces his presence rather intimidatingly in his iconic synthesized multi-voice "I am Soundwave. Soon, you will know me well." He then explodes into his component parts, each of which attacks the Autobots, catching them off guard, allowing them to escape.

Frenzy- remains a boombox
Rumble- the short-wave radio Simmons doesn't know how to use...also humanoid, but stocky and thick to counter Frenzy's sharpness and high-energy
Lazerbeak- Television (flatscreen)
Ravage- Laptop

They disappear to track down Sam.....

This isn't nesicarrly about what you only want dude.. everyone's entitled to their opinions.

This "movie for a broad audience, not Transformers fans" argument was the one used by the filmmakers for more than a whole year as to why things would be changing from the cartoon to the first film. The film's success shows that their formula of change worked for that same broad audience. Time for more change, me thinks.



But you also want him to fit in a building. How can a giant robot fit in a human building in real life?



So? Those same 90 people would remember Megatron as a handgun. Did you see how well that worked out for the movie?



Change people. Look, everyone's free to prefer the Soundwave they prefer (guitar playing Scion!) but after the success of this film, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting anything coming from the sequels that will hold slavishly to anything that's come before.

And "Hurray!" for it.

RIRFIB my ass. Frenzy Is Silver. Boo-yah!

Can't... resist... urge....





MAGIC SHRINKY IS FOR G1 PURISTS AND NooBS!!!!!!!!!

There I said it.

I never said it was. Hobbes said that fi I wanted Soundwave as a stereo, I wanted him as a non-mass shifting tiny robot, and I don't. Read the cointext of the response, not just the response itself.


Did you notice the word permanently? There are a number of ways Soundwave with a stereo alt mode, could get into a building. First, there is use one of his minions. The second is to trick an ususpecting human to carry him in by having them "find" him (this was common in G1, and a little suspect, but could work depending on the circumstances. It also worked for Frenzy in the movie). Third is to not activate his mass conversion when transforming into robot mode to gain access to the building and then transform back into his alt mode once he is in place. If the situation requires him to remain small, why shouldn't he be albe to do so? just have him transform back to stereo mode before using mass conversion to transform back to full size robot mode after the mission is over or once he is in place if the mission is an infiltration and destruction mission. He only needs to be small to get in, not get out. Remember, even G1 Soundwave didn't always shrink when transforming into his alt mode. Why couldn't he choose not to grow when transforming into robot mode if the situation demanded it.


Not really. Megatron has been too many alt modes, which have all appeared in cartoons and other media besides just toys, to really have an "iconic" form. Soundwave has only had a few versions, and only two showed up in cartoons or media outside of toys and those are G1 and Cybertron. The others are extremely obscure and only appeared in toy form. And, as I said, Cybertron Soundwave is "Soundwave" in name only. He doesn't share much beyond that. His functuin and personality are completely different.
Secondly, There are other practical and psychological reasons for Megatron to not be a gun, including the fact that why would the leader of the Decepticons—a tyrant who seeks to dominate all under his foot— choose an alternate mode which would require one of his subordinates to holdand aim him, then pull a triger? It would make him dependent upon his subordinates, and for someone like Megatron, that would be unacceptible. Someone with Megatron's personality and goals would want to remain in complete control at all times. He would never want to depend upon others. His ego would never allow it. Megatron really does need a self-reliant alt mode, not one in which he is dependent upoin another. Soundwave has no such issues.



Change when necessary is fine. Change for the sake of change is not. If something is not broke, don't fix it.

Well, we've clearly always had different definitions of "broke".

I see Mass Shifting as duct tape that's been barely holding Soundwave together since the 80s, and I think the character deserves a proper repair.

For all the soundwave is Iconic crap. He's not Prime. I think most people in this broader swingvoter audience we all seem inclined to worry about, don't remember soundwave at all.

So why not use one of his minions instead?

I think the "transforming radio" or the "jungle cat that turned into a tape" would count among the larger remembrances of the General Audience if the G.A. was pressed to recollect old cartoons.

But I think some people refuse to, or are incapable of, realizing that there's a difference between a "childhood memory looked upon fondly" and "what I want from the entertainment I pay for as an adult" for this same G.A.

Hell, when you've got at least half the people on a message board devoted to that same fond memory saying "you know, maybe that's not the best way to go" you have to realize that the G.A. is gonna have issues with it.

Mullet: 1984

Magic Shrinky: 1984

any more questions?

I actually do think Soundwave, after Prime and possibly Megatron, is the most iconic Transformer of the original series. Most people remember "that tape deck with the cool voice."

And I agree, Megatron's been so damn many forms that he could be anything and it'd work equally well as far as being iconic goes.

That said... I don't think I want Soundwave to be a tape deck. I love him to death as a tape deck, and his G1 is my favorite Transformer, but I think a broader audience will think mass-shifting is rather stupid, and a cop out. And they're rather correct.

My vote is Ice Cream Truck. Ubiquitous, yet attention getting. Also, they usually have large speakers to play music. Soundwave plays music. PERFECT! The DS games have proven that Ice Cream trucks can be deadly, now we need Soundwave to show us just how deadly they can be.

And, I see it as an integral part of who and what Soundwave is. There is nothing broken about it.

Well, no one says he should be an '80s tape deck. A modern portable sound system would be much better suited to the movie. Secondly, the one thing Soundwave wouldn't want is an "attention getting" alternate mode. That would be conter-productive. The more inconspicuous and less "atttention getting" the better.

NO.

ICE CREAM TRUCK.

This way, I get a Soundwave toy and an Ice Cream Truck.

Droooool.

I would be happy with that :Click to view attachment

my personal opinion is... mass shifting is uber ghey full stop it was stupid in G1 and its always been since... scion Xb and stealth fighter FTW KTHX

any way at the of the movie hype they stated NO MASS SHIFTING the all spark cube is a mystical space oddity that has been around for all time so it can slide and even the transformers say they have not got a clue how it works

any ways armoured car SW looks nice and im sure so long as its not some thing retarded like a cd player i can live with it

What about if the Insecticons were in the movie? They mass-shifted in the comics! Yet you wouldn't mind if THEY didn't go shrink-a link-a in a movie.
In fact, Soundwave RARELY transformed in the comics if I recall right. Why should the movie bend over backwards to fit what a silly cartoon did because they didn't have creative enough writers?

my only problem with Soundwave being a stealth fighter is that there are so many transformers that are already jets and planes, why force someone that wasnt one into that role instead of just using someone that is already a jet? i think he should be something inconspicuous. or better yet, who says he needs to transform at all? he could just stay in robot mode the whole movie and have the "cassettes" do all the spying and stuff and they come to him for playback

If Soundwave does appear in the sequels, he better be an upgraded form of Blackout. There's just no other way to explain the character(and probably design) similarities since Blackout was originally intended to be Soundwave. As for his alt-mode, I've always wanted a Soundwave that transforms into a fast&furious car with a decked-out sound system, which would be a lot more interesting than a surveillance van. That way, his name is still relevant to his alt-mode. Also, I'm hoping that Ravage is Frenzy's replacement. I think that the designers would get a better robot mode out of a stereo if it was feline. Just look at the stereo Frenzy transformed into. It's practically the basic feline body shape. All you would need is a head, legs, and tail.

Ice Cream Truck? Thats retarded...



But its better than Magic Shrinky!

BRING ON THE BOMBPOPS!!!

I wanted Blackout to be Soundwave.....Just with a voice and more screen time.

Or Baricade.

My opinions.

Don't care if it's in or out of movie. If it is, great. If not, oh well:
Media based alternate mode
Mass Shifting/Magic Shrinky (take your pick for a name, don't care, although there is speculation that it IS supposed to come into play for the sequel since they said they wanted to do Soundwave "right")

NEED:
SOUNDWAVE PERIOD! I need my Soundwave fix. As well as Shocky.

being that we've had blackout eject scorpinok, and the barricade figure pretty much ejected Frenzy out of his chest, Soundwave ejecting any of the cassettes out of his chest really wont set him off as special at all, so im wondering if they should leave that out in the movie. i know that it is pretty much a requirement of the character, but since we have already had it, it will likely come across as something people thought was cool in the first movie, so they over do it in the sequel

If it means having Magic Shrinky, I say skip soundwave.

Interesting thought. But here's the thing. It'd be different than in the first film since Soundwave's partner(s) wouldn't be like Frenzy or Scorponok. Yes, they'd be stored in him, but unlike Scorponok, they're completely sentient, and unlike Frenzy, they require Soundwave to get around.

I saw Scorpy and Frenzy as sentient and able to get around by themselves, and I always saw the tapes the same way. I don't see what you're basing the difference on.

I would say that is the best answer.

First off, the "no Mass Shifting was only for the first movie, and only because they felt that it was too much for one movie. It had nothing to do with whether it was a good or bad idea. You can only put so much in one movie without it falling apart. Thus, you have to save some concepts for the sequels.


Actually, The Insecticons never once mass converted. They transformed into gigantic insects, not normal sized ones. On top of that, it isn't essential to their characters or alternate modes. It is to Soundwave.





Blackout was never inteded to be Soundwave. His original name was Incinerator. Originally, it was Frenzy that was going to be Soundwave. The intent had always been for Soundwave to be a stereo. However, becasue they didn't want to use mass conversion in the first movie, being a tiny robot just didn't fit Soundwave, so they tried changing the name to Soundbyte, and then finally Frenzy because his persponality and mannerisms better fit that character. They chose instead to save Soundwave for the sequel, and this time with mass conversion.


Barricade only "ejects" Frenzy in the toy. In the movie, frenzy rides in the passenger side front seat. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. When Barricade and Frenzy attack Sam, Frenzy jumps out the passenger side door. He doesn't come out of Barricade's chest. Only the toy does that.

Tramp, you really have to stop saying that like it's a fact. I've seen that panel too and I saw NO indication that that was the case at all.

You're interpretation is not invalid, but it is just opinion and conjecture. Stating it as fact is misleading to people who come here looking for info.

It isn't just that one panel. it is all the other articles as well, of which there are too many to count. And, the panel I am referring to is the one with Don Murphy, and, this was while they were deciding whether to keep Sounmdwave in the first movie or not. Don advocated him being movied to the second so that he could be done right, and that included mass conversion. Hasbro also insisted that Soundwave have mass conversion.

August 19, 2006, Michael Bay— "Frenzy: "had some evolution for us," started off as SOUNDWAVE but had contradictions and changed to stay truer to G1. Smaller, able to infiltrate. Stealth spy, can hide anywhere."

From TransformersCon 2006—"Q: What's happening with SOUNDWAVE in the movie?
A: SOUNDWAVE is still in the script but he might be put off until the next movie since currently having him as a CD and not mass-shifting could make it seem really strange for a lot of people.
Also—* SOUNDWAVE will be mentioned in the movie but may not be in the first movie,
and wait till the second (not sure as of yet) He stated "I don't want to rush
and develop SOUNDWAVE's character wrong, SOUNDWAVE is too important to get him
wrong"

April 17 2005 Don Murphy from his message board—"In the meeting on Thursday Hasbro all but DEMANDED that SOUNDWAVE mass shift.... the writers seemed okay with it...."
Also—"Hasbro seemed anxious to get SOUNDWAVE into musical form to unleash Ravage even if it made no sense."

umm, are you trying to correct me? cause you basically just said the same thing i did, only in a really long winded way...