in the movie megatron was trapped in ice however when he came online he was able to brake free of the ice now lets say bumblebee was in megatrons position trapped in ice and online would he be able to brake out of it or would he be to weak?

The ice was melting on Megatron, enabling him to come online and wreak some havoc. The ice itself didn't physically restrain him anyway; it was the extreme temperature.

ok then could the ice if it didnt melt hold a weaker transformer such as bumblebee?

Obviously it could BB was nearly immobile through the Liquid Nitrous guns.

yet they travelled through the sub zero temps of deep space no problem

Actually the ice did physically restrain him.

Here's why it would work too...

1.) They sprayed Bumblebee with a freeze liquid and as we clearly saw, he was fully functional and fighting back with every last bit of energy he had. It did, however, slow him down some. (So the extreme temperature didn't imprison his body, they didn't do it to Megatron, either.)

2.) As previously mentioned, they were able to have deep space travel, and it didn't freeze them. (Again, extreme temperatures didn't do it.)

3.) Megatron was not only frozen by the temperatures, but since these Autobots and Decepticons have openings all over their bodies (Megatron for sure, look at the animation model) the temperatures could get inside their bodies (which would slow them) but not entirely freeze them. No...it was the arctic water spilling inside of Megatron's compartments and servos and whatnot, and then freezing solid, locking him up from the inside out. Then you add on the extreme cold...and yes, the ice would indeed physically restrain him. And it did, since his original discovery in 1895, and when he crash landed over one thousand years ago. They moved him in the 1930's and he was frozen solid (and kept that way for the duration of the trip) because if one piece of ice came loose, he'd have reactivated and ripped their asses to shreds.

Also, take a look at the Voyager Megatron figure. Plastic ice is implemented in key spots on the body to convey that it was physically a part of him.

lol thanks

You forgot something important. Metal when it's heated up (his entry into the atmosphere) and then cooled rapidly (plummeting through the ice into the super cold water), would also definitly add to his troubles which would result in the further immobilization and ultimate psuedo hibernation of Megatron.

"Buzzz."

You have been fined one credit for violating the universal movie acceptance statute. Be Well.


Any one else notice Megs was an omage to Jetfire being trapped in the ice in the cartoon?

I hate when that word is thrown around like it means nothing. I don't think it was an intentional connection. I think it was more of a coincidence that it followed the same format for cartoon Sky/Jet-fire of losing his telemetry and being trapped in the ice. The prequel comic makes it out to be much cooler in that he heated up entering the atmosphere, and then when he touched down on the ice, he was still very hot, melting said ice, and plummeting through. Thus when he's super cooled very fast the way he is, he went into stasis.

Gotta agree, mainly due to IDW's prequel comics. He blasted thru the atmosphere in a rush to grab the cube, landed on an ice shelf, which he didn't know. It gave way and dumped him into sub-zero water. The extreme temperature change overloaded his systems and he went into stasis lock. I'm sure after some time in the water he had ice clogging up every orifice and service port.
So he was already in stasis lock and then froze solid. Water expands as it freezes, so if it was in his framework it could actually restrain him. sector7 just tried to make sure that nothing changed so he wouldn't wake up, reboot, whatever.
I'm sure that, when not in stasis lock/shutdown, that the cold of space travel can be compensated for thru onboard temperature control systems. Hey, all cars have heaters. Some have air conditioning.
So sector7 figured out that the massive temp shift had put Megs in shutdown, then nature did the rest. They kept him frozen just out of fear that any changes in his situation might bring him out of stasis.
Using the knowledge that tf's systems could be overloaded by sudden huge temperature shifts, the designed cryo weapons. You would use cold because, while both heat and cold can be dangerous to handle, there would be more danger of fire and environmental damage with heat. You don't want to burn down a residential neighborhood trying to catch a robot. So, ice can assist in holding a disabled robot, but its the cold that shut 'em down. IMO.

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but an object in outer space would not just instantly freeze, despite the extreme low termperature of space. If I understand heat exchange correctly, for an object to cool, it must radiate it's heat to other surrounding matter. In space, there is almost no matter that an object can come into contact with in which to radiate heat. So, a Transformer flying through space, while in a near vacuum that is almost at absolute zero, would not cool down rapidly at all. Very different than being in sub-freezing water which quickly absorbs heat from an object. In other words, the temperature of space wouldn't really be an issue for a Transformer that has some bit of shielding.

I just meant that he was a big freakin jet TF that landed hear a long time ago and got frozen in the ice. Just cuz they didn't spend 10 min describing Jetfire's crash doesn't make it different. I'm sure the writers had seen that cartoon. It's a pretty famous TF plot to miss or forget.The writers seemed to know their TF lore. I wasn't saying it was a bad thing.

You know that when you speak, it is assumed by many to be meant in a negative fashion. Demolition Man. If you said in a forum "the sky is blue" some people would feel that you must have an issue with the color blue. Too funny.

*Takes a wild stab in the dark*

Maybe. Just maybe. Their protoforms (Magical turds, whatever) Allow them to resist the colds of space, perhaps they can harness solar radiation (Which is fatal to humans...) or possibly any number of other things.

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*Takes a wild stab in the dark*

Maybe. Just maybe. Their protoforms (Magical turds, whatever) Allow them to resist the colds of space, perhaps they can harness solar radiation (Which is fatal to humans...) or possibly any number of other things.
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I thought maybe the all came in ships and just dropped to earth when bumblebee called.

*I screwed the quotes up sorry

If you'll notice when the Autobots come to Earth, they have parts and chunks of metal that come off and burn up as they come down into the atmosphere. I believe that the Protoforms encase themselves with extra armor to allow for both atmosphere entry and deep space traveling. When they get to a new planet they eject this old armor as needed for planet fall, so that they are fully bare for assimulation for new forms to blend in with their surroundings.

I like that. They arrive naked and penniless, then steal what they need to survive. Their only fears; sabot rounds and deportation. A small percentage go through the proper channels however, and eventually get their green cards.


Ok, so msybe I did loose count on my prescriptions today. Better too much than too little, I always say!

O_o...excellent point. I hadn't even thought of that...




This made me cackle like the Joker. Thank you for that.

yeah i tend to do that alot and im runnin out of credits

Yeah, tell me about it...

Talk about not needing the Three Seashells...

You are correct. In fact, considering that Transformers appear to have a relatively energetic internal power-source, the more likely issue for them in space would be keeping cool.

The other thing most people don't realize is that if you have sufficient fuel, you don't need to have a "blazing re-entry." All of our spacecraft use the Earth's atmosphere to brake from orbital velocities as it's more efficient to carry a heat-shield into space than all of the fuel it would take to slow down. If a space-craft could negate it's orbital velocity using on-board fuel/power, it could simply fly into the atmosphere and land like a normal plane.