I'm having a hard time expressing this. I would have liked more TF characterization/dialogue. But I didn’t expect any more TF screen time than we got. I think what I would expect in a transformers movie would be about at 2/1 ratio of human/TF time in the Humans favor. This could have been achieved by eliminating the hackers, DOD, and character soldier scenes. (Not all army mind you just the ones with names). The TFs don't NEED more screen time the movie needed to be more balanced.

The human stuff could, (should) have just been Sam & Co. and Sector 7. There was no reason for this story with that amount of TFs to be 2hr 15min when 90 min would have done. Shia Lebouf was great. I take no qualm with his scenes or screen time. But why so long with out TFs? Useless subplots.

All those subplots did is solve problems they created. IE: If you remove the Character soldiers (whose names I can't even remember) you eliminate the discovery of ammo that really hurts TFs. If you eliminate the ability to really hurt TFs you remove the need incapacitate the military cuz now they can hurt TFs you remove the need for the virus. Remove the virus you remove the hackers, (whose names I can't even remember) and the needing to use a 386 to send Morris code.

Sector seven showed up and took everyone to the allspark anyway, and the military would have shown up anyway at the end. I would expect jets to show up if Giant F-ing robots start tearing up a city, I don't need to see how they made the phone call to NORAD. Sure there would be Army vs. Decepticon scenes but those could just be to show case and Primus for bid develop the characters of Decepticons not what they're stepping on.

While I was not 100% happy with several aspects of the TFs they are not what turn me off this movie. I think they same movie at 100 min would have had me.

Gee, thanks for explicating things that others have already posted about. If you want to Starscream, do it in a topic that's already started. Frankly, it would have been better if you had stated this when the movie first came out, because we had many topics concerning the subject. Now you're stating what seems like old news. ^^

LOL

I post in in already started threads they tell me to make my own. I make my own you tell me to go to an already started thread.

Thanks man but you're reading into the movie WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much.

How so? Those are technical issues. First week of Film Form 101 type stuff.

Are you one of those G1 Purists that cannot accept change and EVERYTHING must be G1 Lore? If so get the hell over it and upgrade to the here and now. Trust me, Change is Good. Also I liked the story how it was for the movie and was done in my opinion very excellent.

Is it the best movie out there? No. Will it set the bar higher on future movies to come(besides TF's)? Most Definately

I loved the movie. Many people have been waiting for a Live Action Transformers movie and now they have it. Yeah there were some times where Transformers didn't even appear on screen but it wasnt for very long times. They only subplot that went nowhere was the the hot Australian girl going to that hacker guy.

Maybee you should sign in at the Don Murphy boards and Shoot For The Edit Mr Bays boards and actually try to do something productive reguarding the movie. We had 3 years of debates and got things changed at Don's board. Forinstance the Transformers wernt supposed to speak at all in English. Prime wasnt supposed to have his FacePlate etc, Join a board and ACTUALLY HELP RATHER THAN Starscream.

The whole point of my post was that I am not a G1 Purist. Did you even read it? There is nothing about G1 "lore". What I was talking about was the quality of the film as a Film.

As for the delusion that Starscreaming on a board to a producer who is that in name only at this point. I don't see what good it would do. Especialy towards my stated problems with overall movie structure. Somehow I doubt Michael Bay wants directing advice from us.

I am just expressing how I felt about the movie and trying to clear up the misconception that I wanted a G1 fanfic movie. In fact I thought the movie was more G1ish than it really should have been.

So does anyone have a comment on what I actually posted? Not just in the topic, maybe? Cuz telling me to go away or shut up is just rude.

Look.
If humans hadn't appeared in this film it would have been BLOODY STUPID.

"I know. Lets have them fight on Earth! But humans are dumb and...errr... Dont see the 30ft robots kicking nine shades of crap out of eachother in downtown Hooverdamville!"

It would never have been made.

I'm about done defending my opinion about this movie. It was good & that's where I leave it. Life goes on.

You do realize the Autobots were able to fly in the first two episodes of MTMTE right. Only in the third did Prime actually need a jetpack to fly up. I just watched some of this the other day at a friends & it's pretty Powerglideing retarded looking back on it now. Maybe if I still had a 5 year old mentality & wore green tinted shutters I could see how this was better that what passed for a live action Transformers movie however unfortunately I am not able to. Why can't the 80s be forever loved/remembered for what they were & not have to be the cornerstone of each/every incarnation today.

With the movie long done & the sequel a long way off this comic heroes/titan fan is looking forward to the animated take/revival of the franchise.

Oh look. I'm trolling in a trolling thread.

Prime-Collector has every right to his opinion. Personally, I loved the movie, but I can see how not everyone would. People have different tastes. Some things that weren't perfect don't bother me so much that I can't enjoy the film as a whole. Obviously, these little things bother P-C so much that he was unable to enjoy the movie. That's too bad. It really was a lot of fun for me to watch it in the theater (3 times). P-C, your opinion is noted. Just don't try to rain on other people's parade and I don't have a problem with it.

I loved the movie, I still do. I thought the characters were great.

That being said, people with differing opinions are welcome and free to give them.

If P-C didn't like it, he didn't like it. People tell him to get past the Starscreaming phase and head into acceptance, etc.

Well, it's time we got into that phase as well. Some like it, some don't. It's about time we let bygones be bygones and move on.

It's not rocket science here, people.

Well, those people are retarded. We just don't need more topics on the same subject. That would be like, a thousand Cat Threads in INH, but without the Funn13.

The problem with eliminating the militarycharacters from the movie is that They really were necessary. Think about it, The Decepticons wanted to get into secure govenrment systems. The simplest way to do that is through military targets, and break into their systems. Thus, Blackout attacked a military outpost. Unforthunately for Blackout, they thwarted him and some escaped. If Blackout had succeeded, the Decepticons would have gotten to Sam first and they would have gotten the Allspark. Breaking into Airforce One was a last resort for the Decepticons. It was much riskier, and much more difficult to infiltrate. Thwe writers also needed some of the military men to survive so that we knew how to take the Decepticons down. As has been stated by the makers of the movie, if we really did end up caught in that position, the military would definately be heavily involved in trying to stop the invaders. What we see in the movie is pretty much how the military would likely react.

Ok, ONE MORE TIME.

I did not want it to be more G1.
I did not want it to be less human centric.
I do not want it to have NO military elements.




Tramp, first, thank you for addressing my concerns rather than debating whether I should or be allowed to express them.

Second.
I wasn't saying to eliminate the Military from the movie just the "characters". The attack on the military base was a GREAT place to start. Exactly on target as far as I'm concerned. But we didn't need to follow anyone from there. As I said in the first post all that "knowing how to take them down" achieved was necessitate the virus witch necessitated the Hackers.

The military could have been all over the place, but so are storm troopers. I don't need to know they have kids. So the humans wouldn't have taken out Blackout and Devastator. Wouldn't it have been nice if Ironhide and Ratchet had had something to do in the battle? Besides yell "Megatron!" and fall over? As for humans, sector 7 and Sam, Mikala and family are humans, and I thought they were good. They were all well done and served intrinsic story purposes. I'm not advocating replacing hacker/DOD/soldier time with robot time. I just say CUT IT OUT. Let the move be 100 min. Focus. Why did I have to sit through that guy playing DDR, or John Voigt (wasted in this role) giving exposition about stuff that didn't matter? A scene with the Secretary of Defense giving a briefing on the TF attack and the proposed response would have been cool. But I see no reason to follow him to lunch afterward, on screen.

I also found some of the effects cheats hard to bear. "Freedom is the right..." and "One shall stand..." while we look at the ground reeked of not enough time, money, or will to do what needed to be done for the shot.

Though I can not deny the effects over all are the best of their kind to date. (I find the ability to create convincing cgi humanish characters more impressive though)

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Posted for relevance.

See, i don't see your POV. Alot of what you're complaining about are parts that got me more involved.

It's entertainment. just sit back and enjoy it for what it is.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was a TF movie discussion board. My Bad.

Don't you know by now that you are supposed to think like everyone else? Expressing real opinions lead to ridicule and ostracism. Didn't peer pressure teach you anything?


Good thing I never minded ridicule. It take a degree of bravery to say something you believe when you already know you're gonna catch crap for it. I don't agree with you, except about the hacker segments, but I get your points. And I really would have like some character development of the decepticons, but where would they have fit it in?


Screw 'em.

Dude you Rock.

(I would like to point out he does not have to agree with me to rock.)

I think they could have had some funny throw away dialogue while stepping on nameless soldiers. Just a few lines.

Anyone with half a brain who questioned anything about the movie from day one has always had it tough on the message boards. The most generic attack has always been, "U a dumb GeeWunn fan." Now, even if a person does see the movie and doesn't like everything, they are told to like it for what it is and, "giant robots fighting is good," which kind of contradicts all of the bashing of the G1 cartoon and what suporters thought of the movie prior to actually seeing it. In the end, the new movie is no better than the G1 cartoon, and yet even I somehow thought it was supposed to be superior to the old cartoon.

Which has been driving me NUTS, by the way.

I do love the part where Megs flicks away a human and says "disgusting" I figure they cut out the part where the guy had just crapped his pants.

"I smell you, boy" indeed.

Exactly!

But that's just it, The survival of the military characters, and their discovery of "how to defeat" the Decepticons with Sabot rounds isn't what lead to the virus. The failure of Blackout to get the information the Decepticons sought about the Allspark was. If Blackout had succeeded, Frenzy's mission wouldn't have been necessary, and the Decepticons would have gotten to Sam before the Autobots, and the movie would have been over as a loss for the good guys. It wasn't the military character's defeat of Scorponok that initiated Frenzy's mission and the virus. It was Blackout's failure to get the information they sought. On top of that, I am pretty sure, that Blackout would also have loaded that same virus regardless to shut down Earth's communications. It would make us easier to conquer and destroy. Why do you think he jammed the base's communications before he initiated his attack? Strategically, the first thing you want to do to your enemy is disrupt their ability to communicate and get reenforcements. You want to isolate them. That was the purpose of the virus, and the Decepticons would hav used it regardless of whether the military characters had discovered they could use Sabots against the Decepticons. Thus, the hacker's would have been brought in regardless of the virus that shut down communications. They were brought in to discover what was trying to break into the system. They were brought in to crack a code, not stop a virus. They didn't even know it was a virus until it was pretty much too late to stop it. Therefore, you would still have had the entire "hacker" business. the survival of Captain Lennox (Josh Duhamel) and Tyrese Gibson's character, had nothing to do with that outcome. Their importance was discovering how to defeat the Decepticons using Sabot rounds, which has nothing to do with the virus. The virus would have been used anyway.

Amen trench.

And one thing about Scorponok. He was dispatched for two reasons, and one of which was successful. Reason 1: pick off the survivors. Reason 2: Said survivors had an image of Blackout and that would have interfered with the idea of stealth for the Decepticons. Scorponok did indeed succeed in damaging the image device, but did not succeed in picking off all the survivors of the attack. Had he been able to kill off the rest of the survivors, there'd have been no way to let S7 and the SecDef know that to hurt the Decepticons, sabot rounds were needed (which was only discovered when Gibson's character told the re-enforcements to use the sabot rounds and to "bring the rain").

Tramp, I don't mean the Decepticon's reason for using the virus. I mean the Writers reason for imagining it. The writers make up a reason for everything the characters do.

If it was decided that the movie should climax in a Pie fight it would be the writers job to get us to the Giant Pie Factory.

Their lack of importance was discovering sabot rounds.

Lets say an invincible decepticon scene, necessary, but you also want some one to slide under a TF on a motorcycle and kill a TF with a Rifle (cuz your the sorta person who thinks paint flames are cool). So, what you need to do is find a way, in movie, after the invincible TF scene, to hurt them at the cost of about 20 min. But if humans can hurt TF's then auto bots are kinda redundant. So now that we've wasted 20 minuets inventing bullets, now we have to waste 15 more explaining why we're not shooting them. So we waste another 15 on the virus, an elaborate way of keeping the Sec. Def. from yelling "fire". (Of course we also now need to follow him around so we can see he is in fact, unable to yell "Fire".) But we want some Jets for SS to mess up and some army people to step on in the climax plateau (if your climax is 30 min. It needs it's own internal climax, btw) so we need a way for the sec. def to yell "fire!" so...now we need the hackers.

Now this is probably not the order the writers/Producers/director came up with this in. It could be, "Lets have a funny donut scene, lets have some hacker kids." or "I want John Voight to be the Sec. Def. can we write him 30 more lines?" Who knows? Doesn't matter.

But it is the internal screenplay JUSTIFICATION for these characters/scenes to exist, but they're extraneous and unnecessary. Sector 7 had all the pertinent exposition.

I don't care why the deceptions planted the virus, it wasn't their idea. It was the writer/director/producers.

My point is, is that the time it took was not worth the yutz killing Blackout with a rifle.

This isn't my only problem with the movie either. It's just the one I can't forgive.

Okay, you need to calm the Powerglide down. I didn't jump in your face and tell you your opinion wasn't worth having or spouting. I made a simple statement to start discussion. get that chip off your shoulder....

I'm confused. Who's not calm?

Flame=flame

This isn't really relevant, but I don't consider either of our posts flames.

But "just sit back and enjoy it" and "calm the Powerglide down" are hardly conversational invitations.

I considered your response to my post a flame because you basically acted like I told you to STFU.

My comments were meant for you to elaborate more on as to why you didn't enjoy it other than what you have listed. Basically, all I got from your first post was that you felt the story itself was too long due to the inroduction of what you seem to consider useless plot and character introduction. However, I don't deem or perceive in any light the issues you have highlighted as being problematic. Cutting much of what you say is a bad thing out of the movie would have left me feeling cheated after only a 90 minute romp. Not to mention leaving holes in the story such as what happened to those GI guys that saw in the first scene? As the movie is now I can only pick one or two story errors but those are easy to move around or explain. IMO that's pretty good writing. Not the best but, pretty good. I can only wonder if you went into the movie with certain expectations that were not fulfilled.

I knew I smelled Flames in here.