I am running similar threads on all the major TF fan-sites. I've noticed over the last little while, with the release of Arcee's concept art, and the release of her deluxe figure (great toy by the way), that many fans have warmed up to her design and have voiced their support for her to be included in the sequel see here and here and lots of other places I'm too lazy to find the link to...). Since many new threads are popping up regarding her design, I thought it would be simply to have one thread wherein supporters (and non-supporters) could voice their opinions on the design. Since she was not among the choices on the famous USA Today poll, it only seemed fair that the fans of the design should have a place to post, and hopefully catch the eyes of the movie bigwigs, who are probably watching the fanbase for ideas and characters for the Transformers Movie sequel, especially after the USA Today poll.

I've also made a bunch of signature pics for supporters if anyone cares to wear them to show support even after these threads are gone and buried, they can be found in the threads on the other sites (I didn't want to post them again here, my bandwidth may not survive). The other Arcee support threads can be found on Seibertron.com here, on TFW2005 here as well as a poll on the official movie site here.

Also, if you want to use one of my sigs, please host them yourself. Also, if you want a custom made sig, just PM me and I'll be glad to help out.

Fight on, brother. I'm glad it worked out for the Universe Seacons.


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I wouldn't mind seeing Arcee in the sequel, just not that design.

I like the design. It fits the movie asthetic. So much. Besides, when they have the toy already made out, what would be the point of not producing that one.

Actually, the guy who made that design said it was a concept for the FIRST movie but she was written out.

I don't know how/if that impacts the second movie? But I don't think the first movie's written out characters would be considered an asset to put in a sequel.

I'm sure that doesn't stop them from including Arcee in no.2, it's been done before. If I remember, Doctor Octopus was originally supposed to be in the first Spider-man, and he was cut - only to come back in number 2. Same for the Joker in Batman Begins. Nolan was quoted as saying he originally wanted the Joker in Batman Begins, now he's going to show up in number 2.

I'm sure if you started digging around, you could probably find other examples.

Cool then, well good luck. I guess it would be easy enough to have her in the second movie with the concept all ready. I have a feeling there could be quite a few characters in the second movie...a few major, but the rest minor. I mean, Optimus is calling them there. It's like saying, "if you can hear me, we've got free pizza...come get it". Who is going to pass up free pizza...really?!

If Arcee shows up, please not that design. And for the love of all that is holy don't let her function on the team be "the one that's a girl" like she was in G1.

I would love for Arcee to be in the sequel, though I would prefer if she were a car, not a bike.

She might be in the second one because im sure they are going to have to have a female autobot in there somewhere.

why are you "sure" they have to? Let me know when a female transformer is actually relevant to a story KFTHX

I like the idea that some one on another board proposed:

No.

Female TF's in the cartoon I can accept, but a fembot in a live action TF film makes my head hurt. Lots.

i'll be a son of a Starscream, you may have actually convinced me.

LOL thats funny..."You're the woman robot...start making babies"

The women's rights groups will love that storyline!

Why would they care? Arcee isn't a human female. as far as they would be concerned, Arcee is just a robotic queen bee.

not that crap again look she was in the comic so that idea just goes out the window

as for bringing here into the next film sure why not



just to add... its not what see is its what she represents and if shes just Uber mom well that isnt going to go down well

I hate to break it to you but the British Empire has fallen and they're not the center of the universe anymore. Just because the brits had a comic with Arcee in it, that doesn't mean that everybody knows about it. Not to mention that this is an american movie aimed at an american audience and the majority of americans have never read that comic.


Like I said, NOW is more likely to think of her as a robotic queen bee instead of representing the "Bare foot and pregnant in the kitchen" stereotype since the transformers are alien robots.

your talking about a group of robots considered men (don't argue that point or you will get punched in the Powerglideing nuts) creating another robot in the form of a female with the purpose to have her make robot babies. I think thats the kind of idea for an under sexed 30 year old in his Mom's basment. But uh ya, pitch that one to Michael Bay.

dont even hint towards making this personal or a US vs UK thing cuz i will just warn your ass till you banned KTHX and im quite sure most people will opt for Simon furmans hasbro aproved comic story over your fan-fic

oh the prequal comic was an offical licenced comic with help from hasbro who aprove the content that means its canon DEAL and then thiers the toy bio again offical DEAL and im quite sure no brits had any part in the toy bio but then maybe their were not that its any proplem

That is one thing I've always found strange with this debate...

People don't like the idea of a female robot, but they don't mind that the other Transformers are all men. And even if they are never stated to be men, they are implied males - Prime even refers to the others using "he" and "him", not "it".

Then people will counter-argue that they are meant to be genderless, they just have attributes we associate to being male, the same way we associate Jazz as being "black". Then can't the same reasoning be used for Arcee or any other female TF? They aren't actually female, they're just kind of "lady-like", and we refer to them as "she" out of habit, like you often refer to a boat or a car (ironically) as a "she".

Wait, were you referring to the prequel comic? I thought you were citing the G1 Marvel UK comic as the reason why Arcee wouldn't work out. Like you were saying "I imagine that Arcee's movie appearance would play out like her appearance in the Marvel-UK G1 comic and that was just lame". That would have been a lame argument against putting her in the sequel so you can understand why I got upset at you.

Going back to your original point, maybe we can change the scenario so that Arcee isn't built from scratch but she volunteers to be the subject for an experiment to use the shard of the Allspark to transfer its powers to an autobot. Prime wanted to volunteer himself but the autobots opposed it as he was too important, so a regular soldier with slightly above average skills(Arcee) was chosen instead.


She wouldn't actually get pregnant she would simply have the ability to bring mechanical objects to life like the Allspark did. Not to mention that she would be treated like a queen, if not outright worshiped as a goddess. She would be more like a female Jesus.

i voted in favor not agaist i even stated thatin my 1st post so id advise you not to jump the gun so to speak also being pissy about this sorta thing is no resion to bring up nationality as a way to put down another person (and its just retarded when their a mod) and its made even worse when its about somthing so small

I didn't know you were a mod. And forgive me if I have trouble reading your posts because of your dyslexia.

I am SO glad I voted "No" now...

Are you going to elaborate on that or...?

To me "Female" is just a persona. I'm fine with Arcee. They took their vocalizations and verbal cues from the internet (like Jazz's dialogue and use of wording/phrasing is very different than Prime's or Ironhide's). Then they can have an Autobot choose to go with a feminine persona/choice, including referring to itself as a "she" or "her". Since you know, all the Autobots referred to themselves as "he" and "him"...

Jazz: We can't let the humans make him an experiment (referring to Bumblebee).
Prime: His death will be in vain if we don't...blah-blah...(again, referring to Bumblebee).

They all refer to themselves in the masculine form, so I don't see why a feminine persona can't be used. I don't think Arcee needs to be used as 'the chick-bot' though. She should just be used like all the other Autobots, have a purpose to the group. Maybe a guerilla warfare expert or tech-head. She doesn't need to be there cause she's a "she", but be there because she brings something to the group.


JMO.

i forgive you for misreading. but thats not the point you used the fact im not from the same country as you as a way of putting me down and thats a huge no no any ways others have complained about this so ive had to take it further.

now back on topic

if she were in the movie id like to see a different bike like a honda CBR in repsol colours and then have the hot pink exposed in robot mode

I vote 'yes'. I like that design and the Arcee character in most of her incarnations.



I hope Arcee doesn't pattern herself on the women she sees on the Internet... we don't need the next movie being XXX rated.

The uber-mom theory makes me think of the words 'retardation', 'itch' and 'suicide'. I voted 'no' and feel good about it.

I am really hoping that she will be in the next one.She is one of my favorite characters.

At first the design freaked me out a little because it made her unrecognizable. Ever since I bought her deluxe action figure at Target, the design has really grown on me. I was really drawn to this character because I always felt that I was the worlds only female Transformers fan.

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Whoops indeed, my brother.

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WHOOPS INDEED.

Trouble is, a club formed by Transfomers fans who want toys and movies themselves can license toy molds, but can't make the sequels.

No you're not. I think the Movie Arcee pretty much owns the Energon one.

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I DO NOT want to see Arcee in any sequal.

Actually I wanted Arcee to be in the first movie. Funny how her alt mode made it in by the end.

Stupid fanboys. I'm glad Bay finally tuned them out by the end of production or Prime would have been boring G1 redux colours & not have a mouth anywhere in the movie.

I WANT ROBO-BOOBIES!!!!!!

I have nothing to say here, other than your sig is hilarious

Awwwwww, Jazz...

Yeah it saved me watching that part of the movie...

Hehe thanks

And siburke, I thought you saw the movie before I posted my sig?????

I have to say I am completely against the inclusion of any fembots in the movie franchise. I just don't think there is any decent reason to include them. Audiences would probably scoff at the idea while any attempt to explain/justify their inclusion would just waste valuable action time.
Besides I can think of five dozen different characters more worthy of inclusion than Arcee off the top of my head.

I have a friend in the UK who still hasn't seen the movie & won't be able to for a while. You've had it for quite a while before the movie was officially released here. I don't care too much for myself (the film is about big robots blowing stuff up - who cares about the story???) but my mate isn't impressed with it. Spoilers in movie-related topics are expected. To have one of the biggest film spoilers randomly scattered around the board isn't cool.

errmm..... sorry. I wish someone had told me sooner when I put it up so I could have removed it Sorry man.

If Arcee isn't in the next movie, I'm gonna be pretty f*cking dissapointed.

I think I yelled at you in a thread at one point

I believe I mentioned it too, not 100% if it was me (I did a LOT of "spoiler" moaning) but yeah he was asked. Selective hearing I suppose.

Alright already, jesus. Can we let this go now? Sorry I ruined your life

... I love your name so hard.

... even if Rumble is red.

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All is forgiven