READ POST #4

I am making my own story of the two Transformers Gods. I need to know the following...

1. In the multiverse, is there only one Unicron/Primus in existace, or 1 for each universe?
2. Who is "The One?"
3. If Unicron consumes the multiverse, that would mean he exists in a non existant "place" of nothingness. How is this possible?
4. If Primus destroyed Unicron, the balance would be destroyed. Would that destroy the (multi) universe? If so, why would he do it?

5. Kind of off topic, but I got the comic Balancing Act. Is there a Universe comic like it?

1: Depends who you ask, and how you ask...
In other words it's a bit vague but each one seems to be an aspect / avatar of the same being, so yes and no.

2: As I recall, the one is the creator, the cosmic force, the first being.
Basically, he / She / It / They created Unicron and Primus who decided they didn't really like eachother afterall.
This conflicts (Minorly) with the events as Unicron tells them in the UK comic story arc -The Legacy of Unicron-

3: We're talking some weird freaky extra dimensional mechanics here. In other words, accept that it is and that it is fiendishly difficult to explain. (Sufficed to say, we know of at least 19 seperate spacial dimensions, of which we physically experience four...)


4: In theory he can't, the fight will be eternal and one could never truly destroy the other.
Not that they haven't tried, obviously.

1. There is only one Unicron. He can travel between dimensions though. A bit of Primus exists in each Cybertron. He can transfer consciousness between them to take physical form

2. What UH said.

3. He can only consume one universe at a time. However if he were to destroy the multiverses (as was tried in balancing Act) the only thing left would be chaos, so in a sense he would be the only thing left.

4. Physically, yes, in fact Unicron has had many bodies destroyed but his essence will always live on. Same for Primus.

5. Yep, there are Transformers Universe comics. They tend to be Collectors Club and Convention exclusives. They explained how Omega Prime ended up in the Cybertron universe.

1. So, there is only 1 Unicron in the multiverse, and 1 Primus for each universe? Understood.
2. So the One is God? Understood.
3. If there is nothing left in existance, how can there be chaos? Still confused.
4. Still, knowing if Unicron was destroyed the Universe would be destroyed, why even try if that's what he's trying to keep from happening? Still confused.

5. Where can you get them?

i'd direct you to my torrent on demonoid but it seems nobody is seeding and i think i've renamed the comics, but heres this mega torrent created for those behind the loop that happens to include the only ones we could find

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1089318/4593072/

we are in desperate need of universe 2 IF ANYBODY HAS IT PLEASE CONTACT ME!!!

1. There is only one of each, however both span all the multiverse. Primus exists in all at once, and at the same time none of them. He's in a semi dormant state most of the time. Unicron moves through them all, when he's destroyed in one he reappears in another.

2. Kind of, He's the creator of Primus and Unicron, who are in turn aspects of reality. Whether he's the top of the hiearchy or simply one of many is never really explained that I know of. Not alot of info exists about him.

3. Unicron wants there to be nothingness, when the universe ends he ends. He's not your usual villain trying to conquer all, he's trying to destroy all and himself in the process. He and Primus are opposites. Order and Chaos, grow and decay.

4. And Primus has never been in the business of trying to destroy Unicron, however he has to combat him to keep the balance and keep things going. Its his purpose, they need each other to survive. Unicron on the other hand is trying to destroy Primus because again that would then lead to his own end.

That last post confused the HELL out of me. Especailly your first explanation.

Unicron is suicidal?

They wanted to just fight each other forever?

WTF?

yes
thus unicron is the most dangerous kind of evil
he is "satan" and primus is "raguel"

Yeah, read the "Balancing Act" comic. It's available at comic stores now, that's where I picked mine up from. It'll seriously answer most if not all of your questions.

Go buy it. Read it. And if you still have anymore questions after that, come ask.

Also, Primus and Unicron are gods which were created by the cosmos itself, NOT by a superior super-god. This was explained during G1 and is further expounded in the OTFCC comic.

Some people forget that Primus and Unicron are more "gods" in the classical Greek sense of a God (whereas the Abrahamic "God" is really a super-God and not a normal god by standard classical definition) and that TF theology is a combination of Greek and Vedic (Hindu/Buddhist) theologies. It's Greek insofar as having Gods like Primus and Unicron but it's also Vedic in that the Cosmos itself has its own "will" and that these Gods are a product of the "Cosmic Consciousness."

I already have read it. about 5 days ago. So the One is the universe, and Unicron IS suicidal?

I suppose calling the One the universe is a fair interpretation.

As for Unicron being 'suicidal', its not like he can just slit his wrists or take some sleeping pills. He has to completely exterminate the multiverses and destroy all order, which is very hard to do.

think of Unicron as the embodiment of Entropy rather than chaos.
He wants to destroy everything, because that is his purpose, that he too will go is irrelevant.
Again, this contradicts with earlier stories as it is explained that he actually succeeded once, and in the Second Universe Primus was created to combat him.


Edit:
I suggest you go find the graphic novel "Legacy of Unicron" I have no idea if it's available outside the UK (As it was in the UK G1 comic) but it is deffinetly worth a read, and contains Unicron's funniest line.

SO let me see if I got all of this pieced together.

1. In the multiverse, is there only one Unicron/Primus in existace, or 1 for each universe? Answer: there is only one Unicron in the multiverse. Primus is in each universe. Question now is why.
2. Who is "The One?" Answer: The one is the universe.
3. If Unicron consumes the multiverse, that would mean he exists in a non existant "place" of nothingness. How is this possible? Answer: he would be destroyed, but does not care. He only wants to consume everything, that is his purpose.
4. If Primus destroyed Unicron, the balance would be destroyed. Would that destroy the (multi) universe? If so, why would he do it? Still confused.

1. Unicron is only ever in one universe at a time, hence why he is so powerful whenever he shows up. Primus exists in many universes at a time, however this drastically stretches his strength, hence why he is usually dormant. He only ever seems to wake up (transferring most or all of his power to one universe) to fight Unicron. If Unicron is defeated (although he can't be completely killed by Primus) Primus will then go back into dormancy and spread his power across the multiverses so he will be around wherever Unicron surfaces next.

5. Unicron can't truly be destroyed (unless the multiverses are destroyed). His physical form can be destroyed, but it only takes a new body to get him going again (like when Soundwave resurrected him in Balancing Act).

1. In one dimension of the multiverse (DW Armada Comic), Unicron is said to exist in all dimensions and have the ability to shift between them. This isn't to say that there can't be any other Unicrons in other dimensions not known to the narrator.

2. Jet Li. Seriously, as a plot device, the One can be used only as the same question you asked. It should not be revealed, as it leaves a sense of mystery in the story.

3. Unicron can only consume planets. He does not eat stars, asteroids, spaceships, satellites or anything else floating in space. He does not consume all matter. He cannot eat a black hole. It is conceivable with enough time that Unicron could eat all the planets in the Universe (boy would that be a long story) but it wouldn't be empty.

4. Unicron does not need to exist in order for the multiverse to exist. Any particular universe would act like our own without him. His main function is not evil, although he represents it. Evil shall exist with or without Unicron. His main purpose appears to be thinning an over crowded universe. He is not fast enough to devour the whole thing while on the other side of it, life may spring again, because he doesn't eat everything.

So Primus wants to destroy Unicron's body but not soul (spark)?

Go back to G1, people!!

Unicron wants to be one with the void! Once he destroys the universe, or the multiverse as the case may be - then he becomes one with the void where he enjoys happiness.

Unicron finds existence painful and messy, he yearns to "clean" it by destroying it and returning to the void - where, as we saw in G1, he just kinda floats in a fetal position. If a universe is reborn, he will awaken and begin destroying again.

Ok, I get that.

Not true. Ive seen him munch meteors (not to mention moons) and starships.
If he destroys Primus thats it, no more balance and the multiverses implode (stated in Balancing Act)

It's fan-fiction in a universe with multiple versions. Make up these answers to be true to the TFs as you understand or like them. None of us went to highschool with Alpha Trion. Not even Simon Furmon.

Make it up!

Flip a coin!

... Don't ask Tramp.*






*no offence to Tramp. But this topic could be 40 pages inside a week.

given what primus, unicron and the one are meant to represent i dont think it would be possible for humans to comprehend them in the whole rather we just make assumptions based on what's happened before... so you can write what ever the hell you want since theirs gods and all

holy Blot... you guys are all serious about this crap

If you're a writer, you should be able to answer these questions yourself.

I am not a writer. This is my first fanfic. I don't want it to sound ridiculous. For example:

Unicron consumed the multiverse. He went back to dormancy, finally feeling at peace in the nonexistant nothingness.

More than likely after he consumed the universe, if he ever did, he would then self destruct into oblivion.

To put it into abstracts, Unicron supposedly represents entropy, the tendency of things in a closed system to wear down. In physics, there is a concept that eventually the universe will either start falling back in on itself, or simply eventually just slow down its expansion and cool off. This would be called the "heat death" of the universe, where even atomic motion will eventually fail. THIS is what Unicron represents.

On the other hand, Primus represents the creative impulse, and to a degree seems to represent the "Steady State" universe theory. He want the status quo, when it comes to the structure of the universe, to remain the same, unmolested by Unicron. Unlike other posters, I think it would be feasible that Primus would seek the utter destruction of Unicron. If he manages this, the Universe will settle into the Steady State concept, where there would be no entropy.

See I can agree with that in theory, however by his nature Primus seeks creation not destruction, regardless of good or evil to destroy Unicron would seem to go against his nature. Also based on what they are supposed to be I doubt that the universe could survive a direct confrontation between Primus and Unicron. They seem to work first through emissaries and then once Unicron arrives upon a paticular worls Cybertron Primus leave it to his creations to defeat him or fail and moves onto another universe to begin the game again. Sometimes Primus wins sometimes Unicron wins, but neither will ever truly win completely because their are infinite universes and thus a never ending cycle of battle.

Part of which no doubt helps explain Unicron's anger at times, his purpose is decay, entropy, his was created to end creation, and he never can because for every universe he ends an infinite number more mock his attempts. Primus meanwhile doesn't have to come into full force for the most part because he knows their isn't a need, he isn't so much trying to stop Unicron as he is slowing him down, because he knows he can't stop him.

Back to Nitron's question though I don't think Primus can destroy Unicron's "Spark". First of all I don't think he has one in the way the normal Transformers do, he's of a much higher order, his robotic body doesn't contain him, he's a part of existence, the body is jsut a means for him to interact more directly with reality. When its destroyed he jsut makes a new one, and as shown in Balancing Act the way he does so is basically born from the ashes of chaos and destruction. His "Spark" or essence has never actually been touched, and I don't think Primus actually has the power to effect it directly.

Of course all of this is jsut my theories based on parts of the different fictions. It doesn't all mesh completely so you really have to kinda piece your own opinion on it together and leave out the parts that don't fit.

Ok I get that now. I only need to know if Primus is the dude of peace and was trying to keep the universe from being dstroyed, and he was fighting Unicron knowing if he defeated him the universe is destroyed...

You know what I'm saying.

I don't think Primus is the "Dude of Peace" as you put it. Its jsut that Unicron exists to end things, and Primus exists to create them. They are polar opposites. Primus created the transformers, he promotes creation, change, evolution if you will. Their war isn't about good or evil, right or wrong, it has nothing to do with politics or anything like that. They are simply the opposite ends of the spectrum of life, Alpha and Omega, beginning and end.

But like a few people have said before, its your Fan fic in your transformers universe. I'd say avoid telling the story through the eyes of Primus or Unicron, as long as its told from the viewpoint of your average Transformer or even another alien then there is no wrong answer, its simply the viewpoint of that character. I mean look at a character like the Fallen, he was created by Primus, but decided that he preferred Unicron's path. And really the characters of Unicron and Primus, their origins, everything about them it designed in a way so that they can be used as plot devices in different ways. Figure out how you want to use them and go with it. Their isn't really a wrong way.

I just said that because I didn't know how else to. It is not really a fanFIC, per say, it is telling the beginning of Primus and Unicron and the birth of the Transformers.

Well what I said still pretty much stands. Unicron and Primus's origins have been told a few different times over the years depening on which series it was. And of course in the toon Unicron was built by a monkey so you really can't do worse. Whatever origin you write will be unique to your transformers world. Its still a fanfic and you can do whatever you like in it.

W.T.F are you talking about are you kidding me,i bet you dont have a job? cause you must have alot of time for this.Good Luck.

Maybe you should tackle something on a smaller scale, if you needed to ask these questions. You know, make up some charicters, have them interact, maybe shoot at one another. I think maybe you're a ways off of extrapolating the ORIGIN of the Transformers. I'm just sayin.

Edit: That being said I wrote my own version of this to go with a TF RPG My roomates and I were making. Free time indeed. So whatever floats your boat.

I can write it! I'll show you all! *insane laugh*