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ROSEDOGGYDOG
Shocking event for Captain America

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/books/03/0...rica/index.html

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Editor's Note: The following story reveals information about the Marvel Comics' "Civil War" storyline and a key character. If you'd rather not know, stop reading now.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- He fought and triumphed over Hitler, Tojo, international Communism and a host of supervillains, but he could not dodge a sniper's bullet.

Comic book hero Captain America is dead.

After close to 60 years in print, Marvel Comics has killed off Steve Rogers, aka Captain America, one of its most famous and beloved superheroes amid an already controversial story line, "Civil War," which is pitting the heroes of Marvel's universe against one another.

In the comic series, Rogers was to stand trial for defying a superhero registration law passed after a hero's tragic mistake causes a 9/11-like event.

Steve Rogers eventually surrenders to police. He is later mortally wounded as he climbs the courthouse steps.

Marvel says the comic story line was intentionally written as an allegory to current real-life issues like the Patriot Act, the War on Terror and the September 11 attacks.

"Every child knew about 9/11," says Dan Buckley, president of Marvel Comics. "If [he]could see a TV he knew what 9/11 was. The other similarities [to] things going on are just part of storytelling."

It was a violent and strange end for an American hero.

Captain America first appeared in 1941, just as the United States entered World War II. He was a symbol of American strength and resolve in fighting the Axis powers, and later Communism.

As originally conceived by creators Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, Rogers was a man born before the Great Depression in a very different America. He disappeared after the war and reappeared only recently in the Marvel timeline. For a superhero many thought perfect, it was perhaps a fatal flaw for "Cap," as he became known.

"He hasn't been living in the modern world and the world does move," says Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada.

Quesada said he wanted to readers find their own meaning in Cap's end.

"There is a lot to be read in there. But I'm not one who is going to tell people, this is what you should read into it, because I could look into it and read several different types of messages," he told CNN.

Still, one has to wonder: Is Captain America really dead? Comic book characters have routinely died, only to be resurrected when necessary to storylines.

Joe Quesada agrees -- but said times are different now.

"There was period in comics where characters would just die and then be resurrected. And the death had very little meaning and the resurrection had very little meaning," he said. "All I ask of my writers is if you're going to kill a character off, please let that death have some meaning in the overall scope of things."

Besides, he said, there are other important questions left unanswered.

"What happens with the costume? And what happens to the characters that are friends and enemies of Cap?" Quesada said with a smile. "You're going to have to read the books to find out."
Father Time
....I have my doubts on the truth of this statement. They did something like this in Frontline with Speedball already. And, although I do like Civil War, contrary to most people here, I would find it far more interesting to have Cap behind bars, out of the picture, but more like the Kingpin, directing and positioning the rest of the Super-hero world.

EDIT: OK, I wrote this part before I visited Newsarama, and found it to be true. The next part, however, was written by me at the same time, and I don't feel any different about it.

I can accept Cap being shot. However, that doesn't mean he won't survive it. I fact, I can see Tony talking Steve into pretending to be dead, to take away the leading anchor for any leftover resistence, and take the argument out of the spotlight, to keep the peace. As long as there is a civil lawsuit involving someone as high profile as Cap, the country will stay devided, and the entire fight will drag on. So, I can see Steve and Tony getting to this agreement, be it before or after Cap being shot down.

Captain America isn;t dead. He's just keeping a low head.

The way Quesada teases about the story, and the arguments he uses, only strenghten that belief.

EDIT: also, stating Cap's death in the title byline doesn't really help keeping it spoiler-free. tounge1.gif
( . Y . )
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 7 2007, 10:50 AM) *
EDIT: also, stating Cap's death in the title byline doesn't really help keeping it spoiler-free. tounge1.gif

Yeah really rolleyestf.gif

And I haven't read Civil War 7 yet, so I guess I don't have to now
Hellscream333
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Caps not going to die. Ronin anyone?
Father Time
QUOTE (death333 @ Mar 7 2007, 06:15 PM) *
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Caps not going to die. Ronin anyone?

I was thinking that too. However, I honeslty would prefer that not to be the case, because it would simply be too obvious. And I doubt Tony would allow Steve to just go.

..unless it is part of his (as in, Tony's) grand scheme.
Hellscream333
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 7 2007, 12:24 PM) *
QUOTE (death333 @ Mar 7 2007, 06:15 PM) *
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Caps not going to die. Ronin anyone?

I was thinking that too. However, I honeslty would prefer that not to be the case, because it would simply be too obvious. And I doubt Tony would allow Steve to just go.

..unless it is part of his (as in, Tony's) grand scheme.



I agree. Toyfare kind of hinted at it (cap=Ronin) though and to be honest I can't really think of anyone else that Ronin could be. The former self of Ronin can be found standing right next to him/her.. cliffjumper.gif
ROSEDOGGYDOG
I didn't say how he was getting it. Besides in comic book land everyone dies at least once so that should not be any spoiler. Spider-Man even died in the Spider-Man line and came back to life.
siburke939
Spoiler in the subtitle? rofl.gif
Father Time
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 7 2007, 07:43 PM) *
I didn't say how he was getting it. Besides in comic book land everyone dies at least once so that should not be any spoiler. Spider-Man even died in the Spider-Man line and came back to life.

rolleyestf.gif

The fact that he dies reveals quite a significant plotpoint of the story, don't you think? The matter in which it happens does not matter. Besides, Cap already died once, when he was frozen in the ice. Now, go and change it.
Los
I think Cap will be Ronin too. I bet he will be Ronin until World War Hulk results in the world needing Captain America back. Anyone read Captain #25 yet? Everything on the net right now is from the Daily Bugle.
Father Time
...."Cap gets capped"? laughlol.gif OK, I'll allow. tounge1.gif
ROSEDOGGYDOG
fixed... Now when people read it they'll think, huh? Cap get fitted for a cap? What's with the new head gear?

QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 7 2007, 12:12 PM) *
...."Cap gets capped"? laughlol.gif OK, I'll allow. tounge1.gif


you beat me to it
Agent TMan
Cap get's Capped.......Spoiler alert rofl.gif
Hadlen Weltall
Hal Jordan stayed dead for a few years (granted he became the Spectre, but he still died). If Cap stays dead for a year it will mean something. Spidey died for what? two issues? Superman died for almost six months. Don't shoot someone call it a "homage/political statement" and then resurrect him when sales drop/spike.
I.S.T.
I'm pretty sure Marvel has officially had its' Worst Idea Ever.
Lord Madhammer
QUOTE (Lucius Pusey @ Mar 8 2007, 01:56 PM) *
I'm pretty sure Marvel has officially had its' Worst Idea Ever.

The Second Worst Idea ever being bringing him back in the 1960's optimuslaugh2.gif
I.S.T.
He was only away for like ten years...

BTW,. what the hell are you doign posting here?
Lord Madhammer
I post on TFans from time to time...
OP2K5
LOLZ

IMO, I don't think that "Captain America" is dead. Steve Rogers? Certainly, but I'll bet we'll have a new Cap in the works or something ghey like that. Marvel is good at turning one character into another. God knows they do it enough rolleyestf.gif
Lord Madhammer
totally
Drewbie
QUOTE (OmegaPrime2005 @ Mar 8 2007, 12:25 PM) *
LOLZ

IMO, I don't think that "Captain America" is dead. Steve Rogers? Certainly, but I'll bet we'll have a new Cap in the works or something ghey like that. Marvel is good at turning one character into another. God knows they do it enough rolleyestf.gif

Brubaker said in an interview he already has the next two years of Captain America planned out, so he'll either come back or be replaced.

I don't really get the hate against death and resurections in comics. It's part of the genre.
Father Time
QUOTE (OmegaPrime2005 @ Mar 8 2007, 09:25 PM) *
LOLZ

IMO, I don't think that "Captain America" is dead. Steve Rogers? Certainly, but I'll bet we'll have a new Cap in the works or something ghey like that. Marvel is good at turning one character into another. God knows they do it enough rolleyestf.gif

Marvel? When you say "Superhero Makeover", DC springs to my mind. All of their first-tier superheroes have been repalced at one time or another. Or get a completely new set of superhero powers.
I.S.T.
I'm not against death and ressurection, so much as gheyass death and ressurection.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Speedo ES @ Mar 8 2007, 12:48 PM) *
QUOTE (OmegaPrime2005 @ Mar 8 2007, 12:25 PM) *
LOLZ

IMO, I don't think that "Captain America" is dead. Steve Rogers? Certainly, but I'll bet we'll have a new Cap in the works or something ghey like that. Marvel is good at turning one character into another. God knows they do it enough rolleyestf.gif

Brubaker said in an interview he already has the next two years of Captain America planned out, so he'll either come back or be replaced.

I don't really get the hate against death and resurections in comics. It's part of the genre.


USAgent?
Father Time
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 8 2007, 10:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Speedo ES @ Mar 8 2007, 12:48 PM) *
QUOTE (OmegaPrime2005 @ Mar 8 2007, 12:25 PM) *
LOLZ

IMO, I don't think that "Captain America" is dead. Steve Rogers? Certainly, but I'll bet we'll have a new Cap in the works or something ghey like that. Marvel is good at turning one character into another. God knows they do it enough rolleyestf.gif

Brubaker said in an interview he already has the next two years of Captain America planned out, so he'll either come back or be replaced.

I don't really get the hate against death and resurections in comics. It's part of the genre.


USAgent?

He's in Canada now. Part of Omega Flight.
Doctor Stupid
This is good news.
Heat Guy
Stephen Colbert?
http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=99&itemid=9485

Oh hell



... yes?
Father Time
laughlol.gif

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't really say, but it would be awesome to see the shield pass through a couple of guys, including celebrities, to reach its final destination, the next/new/original Captain America.
Hadlen Weltall
..ye know. Superman's death just had a casket with a red cape (followed by the Reign of the Supermen, but thats another story) and Captain America gets the full blooded media circus.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
So Cap is not dead according to Civil War Initiative. Maybe the Punisher will fill in for him for a time. Kinda makes sense what Spidey said about him now.
Hunter Rose
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One of the biggest questions is "Why?" Few have shown the strength, let alone have had the training, to properly wield the shield, so its use as a weapon seems negligible


Few? I thought everyone in the marvel universe was at least as strong if not stronger than Cap.
Unless they mean its too heavy for some random bystander to have swiped it from the scene
rolleyestf.gif
Oh yeah, like that would have happened.

This is why these HUGE crossover company things falll apart when they try to be realistic.
Heat Guy
http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20070312cap.png
Hunter Rose
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ROSEDOGGYDOG
yeah that was good
Drewbie
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 8 2007, 12:49 PM) *
When you say "Superhero Makeover", DC springs to my mind. All of their first-tier superheroes have been repalced at one time or another. Or get a completely new set of superhero powers.

or a mullet optimuslaugh2.gif

QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 13 2007, 10:02 AM) *
So Cap is not dead according to Civil War Initiative. Maybe the Punisher will fill in for him for a time. Kinda makes sense what Spidey said about him now.

Quesada said that Ms Marvel was lieing to make SW realize something or do something...I dunno. I didn't read it. Anyway, both Brubaker and Quesada say that Cap is definately dead, not hiding.
Strikeback
QUOTE (Speedo ES @ Mar 15 2007, 04:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 8 2007, 12:49 PM) *
When you say "Superhero Makeover", DC springs to my mind. All of their first-tier superheroes have been repalced at one time or another. Or get a completely new set of superhero powers.

or a mullet optimuslaugh2.gif


You forgot like a billion pouches & huge freaking guns.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
QUOTE (Speedo ES @ Mar 15 2007, 05:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 8 2007, 12:49 PM) *
When you say "Superhero Makeover", DC springs to my mind. All of their first-tier superheroes have been repalced at one time or another. Or get a completely new set of superhero powers.

or a mullet optimuslaugh2.gif

QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 13 2007, 10:02 AM) *
So Cap is not dead according to Civil War Initiative. Maybe the Punisher will fill in for him for a time. Kinda makes sense what Spidey said about him now.

Quesada said that Ms Marvel was lieing to make SW realize something or do something...I dunno. I didn't read it. Anyway, both Brubaker and Quesada say that Cap is definately dead, not hiding.


Well the way whoever wrote "Civil War: Initiative" makes Tony say something to the effect that Cap is on life support and well hidden but doesn't go into length about it.
shajaki
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 29 2007, 10:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Speedo ES @ Mar 15 2007, 05:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Klarion_bumbumBUM the_Witch_Boy @ Mar 8 2007, 12:49 PM) *
When you say "Superhero Makeover", DC springs to my mind. All of their first-tier superheroes have been repalced at one time or another. Or get a completely new set of superhero powers.

or a mullet optimuslaugh2.gif

QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 13 2007, 10:02 AM) *
So Cap is not dead according to Civil War Initiative. Maybe the Punisher will fill in for him for a time. Kinda makes sense what Spidey said about him now.

Quesada said that Ms Marvel was lieing to make SW realize something or do something...I dunno. I didn't read it. Anyway, both Brubaker and Quesada say that Cap is definately dead, not hiding.


Well the way whoever wrote "Civil War: Initiative" makes Tony say something to the effect that Cap is on life support and well hidden but doesn't go into length about it.

uhhh. what about the confession? im pretty sure tony was crying over a real corpse there.
lightbringer
not to mention the body the new avengers found wasnt cap, but a trap
had the new avengers admiral ackbar on thier team, theyd been smarter
DjinniMan
QUOTE (lightbringer @ Apr 2 2007, 04:42 PM) *
not to mention the body the new avengers found wasnt cap, but a trap
had the new avengers admiral ackbar on thier team, theyd been smarter

Funny!

Personally, I'd like to have the New Avengers have, well, you know, an AVENGER on their team. Are there any classic Avengers left in NA?
Tripredacus
QUOTE (ROSEDOGGYDOG @ Mar 13 2007, 10:02 AM) *
So Cap is not dead according to Civil War Initiative. Maybe the Punisher will fill in for him for a time. Kinda makes sense what Spidey said about him now.


It also seems that way based on the alternate Punisher cover spotlighted in Marvels' upcoming solisitations.
shajaki
QUOTE (DjinniMan @ Apr 20 2007, 01:42 PM) *
QUOTE (lightbringer @ Apr 2 2007, 04:42 PM) *
not to mention the body the new avengers found wasnt cap, but a trap
had the new avengers admiral ackbar on thier team, theyd been smarter

Funny!

Personally, I'd like to have the New Avengers have, well, you know, an AVENGER on their team. Are there any classic Avengers left in NA?

theres always the mighty ones.
ROSEDOGGYDOG
http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article....10056&mpc=1

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Marvel Comics Buries Captain America
Jun 30, 7:15 PM EST
It's a funeral fit for a superhero.

In the drizzling rain at Arlington National Cemetery, thousands of grieving patriots solemnly watch as the pallbearers — Iron Man, the Black Panther, Ben Grimm and Ms. Marvel — carry a casket draped with an American flag.

Yes, folks, Captain America is dead and buried in the latest issue of Marvel Comics' "Fallen Son," due on newsstands the morning after Independence Day. After 66 years of battling villains from Adolf Hitler to the Red Skull, the red, white and blue leader of the Avengers was felled by an assassin's bullet on the steps of a New York federal courthouse.

He was headed to court after refusing to sign the government's Superhero Registration Act, a move that would have revealed his true identity. A sniper who fired from a rooftop was captured as police and Captain America's military escort were left to cope with chaos in the streets.

But the sniper didn't act alone, and didn't even fire the shot that killed the captain.

Writer Jeph Loeb has been busy working through the stages of grief in his most recent titles. A book centered on Wolverine dealt with denial; one with the Avengers covered anger; and Spider-Man battled depression.

With the story line so relevant to present-day politics, and the timing of the latest issue so precise, it's hard not to think the whole thing is one big slam on the government.

"Part of it grew out of the fact that we are a country that's at war, we are being perceived differently in the world," Loeb said. "He wears the flag and he is assassinated — it's impossible not to have it at least be a metaphor for the complications of present day."

But Loeb says he was working with more personal material: the death of his 17-year-old son from cancer.

"So many people have lost their sons and daughters over the years, for the greater good or to cancer or other horrible things," said Loeb, an executive producer for NBC's "Heroes." "I wanted this to be something people would identify with."

In the final frames of the book, the Falcon delivers a eulogy asking superheros old and young to stand up and honor Captain America.

(Story Continues On Next Page...)



(...Story Continued from Previous Page)

Loeb did a similar thing at his son's funeral.

"It was this moment where I realized that we were all different, but this boy, my son, made us all connected," he said. "It was powerful."

Captain America, whose secret identity was Steve Rogers, was an early member of the pantheon of comic book heroes that began with Superman in the 1930s.

He landed on newsstands in March 1941, nine months before Pearl Harbor — delivering a punch to Hitler on the cover of his first issue, a sock-in-the-jaw reminder that there was a war on and the United States was not involved.

Since then, Marvel Entertainment Inc., has sold more than 200 million copies of Captain America magazine in 75 countries.

In the most recent story line, he became involved in a superhero "civil war," taking up sides against Iron Man in the registration controversy, climaxed by his arrest and assassination.

Marvel says you never know what will happen. He may make it back from the dead after all, although Loeb says that question isn't really important right now.

"The question is, how does the world continue without this hero?" he said. "If that story of his return gets told further down the line, great. But everyone's still been dealing with his loss.

"They aren't going to wake up and it's a dream, like it's some episode of 'Dallas.'"

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