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Primal-Convoy
(If this is too political Mods, please feel free to move it to the "political" section please. Thanks!)

Again, this post is in no way out to paint the picture that the Japanese nation are bad. The issue is tightly controlled by the Japanese government (who I DO have my own axe to grind with) and as such, many if not most of the Japanese population do NOT know anything about this. The people involved in these acts are mainly from a few scattered fishing villages in a very local, condensed area, if I remember rightly.

It's also ironic as many, if not most Japanese DON'T eat whale meat. It's something that isnt very popular anymore and was eaten in the past. In fact there are "whale meat mountains" in cold storage in Japan as they are not interested in eating it.

Thus, the real eveil sob's behind the whaling problem are merely the Japanese government, who treat it as some sort of bizzare "you gaijin will not tell we japanese what do do!", even though the public couldnt care less about Japan's right to kill whales.

However, if you can, and if you agree with the message, perhaps show this to a Japanese person next time you meet one. The more Japanese that know the better the chances of Dolphin survival are in Japan as they can voice their concerns. If anything you can use it if you are ever questioned about "Japanese eat whales" conversations. And NEVER go to a Japanese aquarium. Ever.


Prob. old news. Ive heard of this, but I doubt many of your Japanese chums, collegues or students have due to the Japanese Gov. banning all future pics and movies about it.

WARNING:The video ink below is NSFW OR anyone who is very sensitive to scenes of animal slaughter, torture or distress.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UOGgUdNhVM

And here is a more palatable news story about it:

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2005/2005-10-07-06.asp

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"Activists Worldwide Protest Japan's Dolphin Slaughter

SAN FRANCISCO, California, October 7, 2005 (ENS) - Joined by America's Whale Alliance's 35-foot Whale Bus, members of In Defense of Animals, the International Marine Mammal Project of Earth Island Institute and One Voice - France held a protest in front of the Japanese Consulate in San Francisco today. The activists want to draw attention to the annual killing of thousands of dolphins in Taiji and other bays in Japan.

The demonstration is part of a day of international protest October 8 against Japan's slaughter of over 23,000 dolphins and small whales each year, the largest kill of dolphins anywhere in the world.

Forty-four demonstrations are being held at Japanese embassies and consulates in 26 countries. Activists are demanding a permanent end to the drive fisheries and the preservation of dolphins and whales as natural treasures

Protesters in Miami, Florida object to Japan's annual dolphin killing. They say if enough people protest, the Japanese government might stop the slaughter. (Photo courtesy Sea Shepherd Conservation Society)
Every year from September through April, fishermen in Japan hunt and kill thousands of dolphins. The activists are moved by the cries of the dolphin mothers with newborn calves "who call out in distress as they are separated in the most brutal ways imaginable," they said today.

"They are driven onto Japanese beaches and bays, stabbed with spears and knives, then left to slowly bleed to death literally turning the sea red while others drown entangled in nets. Some of the dolphins are taken alive, pulled out of the water by ropes tied around their tails to be sold to marine parks," the groups said in a joint statement.

Video footage, taken by One Voice - France, documents dying dolphins struggling in a blood-stained bay. Photo and video evidence of the slaughter caused so much embarrassment to the Japanese Government that it now prohibits photos or video being taken of the killings.

"Japan's annual slaughter of dolphins is cruel and barbaric," says Mark Palmer, associate director of the International Marine Mammal Project. "We will continue to expose the senseless killings until Japan puts an end to this bloodbath."

The international consortium of environmental organizations fighting to end the slaughter Tuesday released an internal memo prepared by the Japan Cetacean Conference on Zoological Gardens and Aquariums to its member aquariums encouraging the buying of more dolphins from the Taiji drive fishery.

"The aquarium industry is secretly subsidizing the violent slaughter of thousands of dolphins in Taiji and other fishing villages in Japan," said David Phillips, director of the International Marine Mammal Project. "This memo is the first direct proof from the Conference to its member aquariums soliciting buyers for dolphins."

"In a key part of the memo, the Conference encourages its member aquariums to request even more dolphins that are currently not available due to permit restrictions," said activist Richard O'Barry, former trainer of TV star Flipper and marine mammal specialist for One Voice, the French animal welfare organization.

"Fishermen herd dolphin schools into shallow waters, where around 2,000 are annually slaughtered for meat," said Sakae Hemmi, spokesperson for Japan's Elsa Nature Conservancy.

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Japanese fisherman with dolpins in his boat sits in bloody Taiji Bay. (Photo courtesy Sea Shepherd Conservation Society)
"The aquarium industry subsidizes the slaughter by offering thousands of dollars to buy a few prime specimens of dolphins from the shallow waters of the blood-filled slaughter pools," said Hemmi. "Without these enormous prices for prime specimens, it will be quite difficult for the drive fishery to survive, for dolphin meat is much contaminated with mercury."

The memo was prepared by Senzo Uchida, executive secretary of the Japan Cetacean Conference on Zoological Gardens and Aquariums and sent to the directors of aquariums that are members of the Conference.

The memo outlines a meeting held by representatives of the Conference, the Taiji Fishing Cooperative, Taiji town councillors, and the Isana Union, representing the drive fishermen at Taiji. Even the Japanese government was involved, as Hidehiro Kato of the Japan National Research Institute, a government agency, originally recommended this meeting be held.

Each year from October through April fishermen at Taiji hunt the passing schools of dolphins, writes long-term Japan Correspondent Kjeld Duits. In Taiji Bay, fishermen beat on long metal poles stuck into the water. At the end of each pipe is a metal disc which carries the sound, panicking the dolphins so they are easy to capture.

The fishermen drive the dolphins into a bay and close it with nets, Duits observes. The next day the dolphins are caught, one by one. Fishermen drive a long metal pin into the neck of each dolphin, and within seconds they are dead. Until recently their throats were slit, but Japanese authorities have banned that method, he says. It sometimes took minutes for the dolphins to suffer and die.

"These are no fish. They are self aware creatures that routinely make choices and decisions regarding the details of their life. They are entitled to freedom of choice, thus they are entitled to freedom," O'Barry told Duits in an interview.

"Dolphins are more like gorillas or humans than fish," said O'Barry. "But they are treated the same way as tuna. Does an animal have to be close to extinction before we treat the animal with respect?"

Sea Shepherd Society founder Captain Paul Watson has been fighting the Taiji dolphin kill for years. The Japanese fishermen are indiscriminate, he says, they kill any species that approaches the coast. Sea Shepherd crew have witnessed the killing of striped, bottlenose and Risso's dolphins, pilot whales, false killer whales and melon-headed whales.

In October 2003, Sea Shepherd crew documented a mass slaughter of dolphins on the beach at Taiji, Japan. The video and photos of dying dolphins struggling in a bay stained red with dolphin blood was embarrassing to the Japanese government, to the point that Sea Shepherd has been banned from approaching areas where dolphins are killed.

In November 2003, Sea Shepherd crew physically freed 15 dolphins from a net in Taiji just before they were to be slaughtered.

Since September 2004, Sea Shepherd has offered a reward of $10,000 to encourage people, including citizens of Japan, to document the killing. The most graphic footage will be rewarded with the cash.

Sea Shepherd has a one-minute Public Service Announcement available, featuring Academy Award winning actress Susan Sarandon. "Susan has made a significant contribution to our educational campaign to bring attention to the large-scale, cruel dolphin massacre in Japan by donating her time and her voice to this project," Watson said.

The marine mammal conservationists believe if they can get 100,000 people to demonstrate against this kill on one day - October 8 - public opinion will reach a what O'Barry calls a "tipping point" and the dolphin kills will end.

Phillips said, "The public, including the people of Japan, would be outraged if they knew the truth - that thousands of innocent dolphins die a horrible death so that a few can be shown doing tricks in aquariums. The drive fishery and the slaughter must be stopped, and the aquarium industry should be ashamed of sponsoring the killing of thousands of dolphins annually." "



You might want to explain to those with poor english skills that the "whale meat" for sale is in fact, dolphin repackaged to look like whale meat, as many in Japan would abhor the consumption of a "kawaii dolphin".

Also, think twice about visting a sea life centre or equiv. in Japan, they might just be funding the slaughter of the dolphin on display's mother.
---The Rat
I generally don't eat sea food anyway....here is just another reason I don't...poor flipper
Primal-Convoy
Recent news?

I found another video at youtube that showed the same thing as above, but also stated that some non-Japanese investors/marine parks, etc were buying some of the dolphins too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi17gNRD2cA
Goktimus Prime
It's not a reason to not eat seafood - there are plenty of reasons to eat seafood, and it's generally very good for you. In fact, the only real objection against the consumption of whales and dolphins isn't so much that they're bad foods, but the fact that they are endangered species. If there was some way to sustainably harvest whale and dolphin meat, then it wouldn't be so bad... but the Japanese government's ministries of fisheries and science (because a lot of their whale hunting is done under the guise of "scientific research") doesn't seem to really care about sustainability.

...and Primal Convoy's right... most Japanese people don't even eat whale/dolphin meat anymore, so it's not as if it's even that commercially profitable! At least if it were profitable, you could understand their motives (cos we can all understand greed). But this isn't even a factor here! Crazy!
Talkie Toaster
the younger generations in ajapan are not interested in this meat at all so it's just slaughter for the sake of it. it's sick
Primal-Convoy
I emailed the info to a few of my adult Japanese students and ex-students. Here is one repy. Her English isnt that great and she's super busy so this probably took her ages to come up with (plus Japanese are not that great at structuring logical arguments per sec, especially the kind to be cross-examined in a western/international style discussion, which is why Japan wanted to have a seperate Japan style forum for Whaling recently

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“taiji” mean is “get rid …” or “defeat” in Japanese.

I think. Long time ago fishey usesd on the very small fishing boat,

therefore by accident meat whale was a menace and accordingly meat whales taiji.

So, I was yanger student at primary school.

I often ate whale meet, because maby 20 years old was provide lunch menu

for all primary snd junior high school.

But, I don’t eat whale meet now and nothing provide lunch menu for school.

Whale meet was very popular Japanese food from long time ago.

Same idea.

You eat beef (cattle) but, India dosen’t eats cattle.

ex) .India idea = Cattle is spiritual animal.

English idea = Cattle(cow) is food(eat beef).

I think, English and another country coustomes are different from thoese of Japan.


Bless her.
Goktimus Prime
The difference is that cows are not an endangered species.

It's not the fact that dolphins and whales are "different" from what we're used to, it's the fact that:
1/ They're endangered
2/ They're being slaughtered in an unethical way

For example, a lot of dog farms in South Korea are currently being criticised, not because they're farming dogs - they're not an endangered species - but because they bludgeon the dogs first before killing them quite painfully via electrocution with a car battery. This is intentionally done to "tenderise" the meat because apparently it makes it more succulent. So the argument here isn't the fact that they're eating dogs, but the fact that the dogs are being slaughtered inhumanely.

On the other hand, here in Australia we have many battery hen farms where hens are kept in the most inhumane of conditions just to mass-produce eggs. And there are lobby groups who protest against these farms and individuals who choose to buy free range farm eggs instead of regular eggs (which typically come from battery farms).

You're right though... the Japanese are really Blot at constructing arguments. I was part of debating team where my side was made up entirely of Gaikokujin and we always kicked the crap out of our opposition (we never lost a debate). Like taking candy from a baby. icon_wink.gif

Japanese debating is like watching pro-wrestling. It's all pre-scripted and fake. Throwing a gaikokujin team into a Japanese debate is like putting a real wrestler or fighter/martial artist against a pro-wrestler.
Primal-Convoy
The thing is, every time a foreigner "wins" an argunent. it "shows" that "we japanese are different to you and thus you dont understand our ways"

However, with regards to my student's points. I think she means that to many Japanese, just because many other countries say something is true, then that doesnt mean that it is.

Its a bit like in the UK, when many Uk people were up in arms about Monsanto introducing GM crops into the UK ecosystem without adequate testing. Just because the UK public was assured that it was safe by the creators of Agent Orange, doesnt mean that it was/is.

Edit:

My student, bless her, replied!

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Hi!

Thanks for your email!

> I think you are confused here.


Yes,I'm confused a little.

But, I'm sorry.
I don't like long sentence and I sometimes misstake writing words,
so you understood my writing. worry me.(>_<)

> 1/ Whale meat isnt popular in Japan now as many of us eat beef, etc.


Yes, it is. Now, Whale meat is rise and catch a few (examination whaling)
In the past, Whale meat is cheap and catch more.

> 2/ DOLPHINS are being killed. Dolphins are not whales. They are then being
> sold as whale, which is a lie. I think Japanese people don't want to eat
> dolphins, even if they like eating whales. Dolphins are cute, right?


Dolphins and small Whale are same group.(small or big for deffarent name)
While they are cute, I think they become harmful to wild animals.
I think, Japanese people don't indiscr iminatly.

Right then, Why Japan to open trade with American.
(Probably USA sailor's Perry with East india Company)
They needs base for whaling fleet,because They use whale's grease as fuel.
I think more cruel! They are forgetting the past that .

> 3/ The Japanese government wont let Japanese people know the truth about
> Dolphins being killed.


I think, Not. It's be biased against Japanese government.
Right then, Why Alskan people (probably Whale, sea lion, and seal eating )are right?

> 4/ Also, Whales are "endangered".

I think so.

> Most countries in the world know this but the Japanese government
> doesnt understand this. This is sad.


No, bcause Japan is "REGULATION" of whaling,
but anothre Whale eating countrys are "NOT REGULATION"
Therefore I think more broaden one's horizons of Japan in the world.

Can you verbal me? I speak one's mind very diffcult.....(^^icon_wink.gif
I love Dolphins♪

P.S.
I watching the movie now. (only hear now.....)
movie's title is "Howel's moving Castle"(I favorite title in GHIBLI's film)
I think maybe next watch movie is Cars.(interesting or funny)


I wrote the bits in BOLD.

I think she has some interesting views. I replied to her but Im a bit worried that I shouldnt be too direct with her. I mean she actually did a bloody good job of replying as she studies an Elementary English level book (this doesnt mean "elementary school level" non EFL Teaching fans).
Primal-Convoy
News Just in:http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah7291.shtml
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Hayden Panettiere's Heroic Fight To Save The DolphinsOSAKA, Japan (November 1, 2007) — Hayden Panettiere doesn’t have much to worry about as an indestructible cheerleader on NBC’s “Heroes.”But during a recent trip to Japan, the 18-year-old actress put her life on the line trying to prevent fisherman from slaughtering a group of dolphins.In a dramatic display, Hayden and five others paddled out on surfboards into the ocean on a pre-dawn mission to disrupt the local fishermen’s efforts to catch and kill the dolphins.However, as the group made their way towards the pod of dolphins, who appeared to be caught in the net, Hayden, a spokesperson for SaveTheWhalesAgain.org, and friends were intercepted by one of the small fishing boats.The fishermen used the boat’s propellers to block the surfers’ way and used a long boathook to try and push them away.Video: Hayden's Fight To Save The DolphinsThe dramatic and dangerous encounter lasted for several minutes before Hayden and her group were forced to return to shore.Upon reaching land, a visibly shaken Hayden fell to her knees crying.“It was really frightening. Some of us were hit by the boathook. But in the end all we really worried about was the dolphins,” Hayden said in footage captured on video by the group. “It was so incredibly sad. We were so close to them and they were sky hopping, jumping out of the water to see us.”As the group huddled together on the beach, an emotional Hayden fought back the tears as she explained what she saw while in the water.“One little baby dolphin stuck his head out and kind of looked at me and the thought that it’s no longer with us is really hard to take,” she said.Local fisherman, who according to SaveTheWhalesAgain.org, kill the dolphins and whales for their meat, had netted off the cove and set up tarps to shield the slaughter from public view.The footage did not indicate if the group’s efforts prevented the fishermen from killing the group of dolphins encountered by Hayden and her friends.For more from Hayden on her emotional and courageous efforts, tune in to Friday’s Access Hollywood as the “Heroes” star visits our stage and discusses her experience more in-depth.


UK Sky News Showing her fighting the Dolphin Slaughter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvNgdFIf0I0[/url]

Matt Damon narrates the problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzuSULcqgxQ

Who's guessing Hero's wont get shown in Japan now eh?

another video showing another shameful japanese involved in the slaughter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3chsx1gpyjA[/url]
FREEFALLL666
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ Mar 16 2007, 03:43 PM) *
The difference is that cows are not an endangered species.

It's not the fact that dolphins and whales are "different" from what we're used to, it's the fact that:
1/ They're endangered
2/ They're being slaughtered in an unethical way

For example, a lot of dog farms in South Korea are currently being criticised, not because they're farming dogs - they're not an endangered species - but because they bludgeon the dogs first before killing them quite painfully via electrocution with a car battery. This is intentionally done to "tenderise" the meat because apparently it makes it more succulent. So the argument here isn't the fact that they're eating dogs, but the fact that the dogs are being slaughtered inhumanely.

On the other hand, here in Australia we have many battery hen farms where hens are kept in the most inhumane of conditions just to mass-produce eggs. And there are lobby groups who protest against these farms and individuals who choose to buy free range farm eggs instead of regular eggs (which typically come from battery farms).

You're right though... the Japanese are really Blot at constructing arguments. I was part of debating team where my side was made up entirely of Gaikokujin and we always kicked the crap out of our opposition (we never lost a debate). Like taking candy from a baby. icon_wink.gif

Japanese debating is like watching pro-wrestling. It's all pre-scripted and fake. Throwing a gaikokujin team into a Japanese debate is like putting a real wrestler or fighter/martial artist against a pro-wrestler.

Yes it is, Dogs are an intelligent species capable of planning ahead, trickery and deciet. Cows are dumb munching machines. Whales are intelligent species. What we object to is species that are intelligent, capable of hope and love being slaughtered for meat/fur.
ULTRA MANGOS
QUOTE (Goktimus Prime @ Mar 16 2007, 04:43 PM) *
The difference is that cows are not an endangered species.

It's not the fact that dolphins and whales are "different" from what we're used to, it's the fact that:
1/ They're endangered
2/ They're being slaughtered in an unethical way

For example, a lot of dog farms in South Korea are currently being criticised, not because they're farming dogs - they're not an endangered species - but because they bludgeon the dogs first before killing them quite painfully via electrocution with a car battery. This is intentionally done to "tenderise" the meat because apparently it makes it more succulent. So the argument here isn't the fact that they're eating dogs, but the fact that the dogs are being slaughtered inhumanely.

On the other hand, here in Australia we have many battery hen farms where hens are kept in the most inhumane of conditions just to mass-produce eggs. And there are lobby groups who protest against these farms and individuals who choose to buy free range farm eggs instead of regular eggs (which typically come from battery farms).

You're right though... the Japanese are really Blot at constructing arguments. I was part of debating team where my side was made up entirely of Gaikokujin and we always kicked the crap out of our opposition (we never lost a debate). Like taking candy from a baby. icon_wink.gif

Japanese debating is like watching pro-wrestling. It's all pre-scripted and fake. Throwing a gaikokujin team into a Japanese debate is like putting a real wrestler or fighter/martial artist against a pro-wrestler.



a reason why i dont like korea they eat dogs and cats
( . Y . )
Couldn't we just farm dolphins? I bet they might taste good.
Doctor Stupid
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Nov 12 2007, 01:50 AM) *
Couldn't we just farm dolphins? I bet they might taste good.



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A caveat: Environmentalism is seen by many "non-Western" nation of these so called "Western" nations as a way of imposing their ideas and beliefs onto them - again. The flaw in our preaching values of any sort is naturally going to meet resistance. In Japan, killing dolphins and whales is just as natural as us eating veal and escargot (eww).
ULTRA MANGOS
QUOTE (Doctor Stupid @ Mar 21 2008, 02:48 PM) *
QUOTE (DeeEnn @ Nov 12 2007, 01:50 AM) *
Couldn't we just farm dolphins? I bet they might taste good.



agree.gif

A caveat: Environmentalism is seen by many "non-Western" nation of these so called "Western" nations as a way of imposing their ideas and beliefs onto them - again. The flaw in our preaching values of any sort is naturally going to meet resistance. In Japan, killing dolphins and whales is just as natural as us eating veal and escargot (eww).


zombie thread oh and both of you are f`ed up
Primal-Convoy
I disagree that to many Japanese, eating dolphin and whale meat is as natural as eating any other meat.

Here are some facts:

1/ Most Japanese today dont and dont want to, eat whale meat. Normally this isnt for any sentimental or "eco" reasons, but simply as most Japanese had to eat whale meat for school dinner and they didnt like the taste of it. In the UK, the public has similar un-fond memories of eating brussel sprouts as a child at school. Most Japanese also prefer the taste of beef or other, more easily available and thus cheaper, red meat.

2/ Whale meat is often sold to pet food manufacturers, most notably those that make cat and dog food.

3/ Dolpins ARE seen as "cute" and friendly and that is the reason the Taiji area authorities, including local police, have done their best to keep the issue a secret from Japanese society. Even national media havent touched the story, for fear of causing problems for the taiji area (or the national/istic government has possibly had a "freindly" word in their ear to keep it under wraps).

4/ Both Dolphin and Whale meat has been found, at one time, by a Japanese scientist in Japan, to contain MORE dangerous levels of mercury in them than accepted levels for fish and other marine life sold as meat/food.

BTW, one of my Japanese friends in Japan is good friends with two of the protesters abord one of the Sea Shepherd vessles. The email they sent to my Japanese friend was lovely and proved that they were not "anti Japan" (they have protested against western and other non Japanese countries with regards to seal hunting etc) and were not hypocritical as they all themselves were vegetarians.

Thus they also didnt fully agree themselves about nationalistic comments made by both pro-Japan and perhaps "pro-western" (ie: some Australian nationalists) with regards to the whaling issue.
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