Seen It On eBay - Posting Terms

This is a place to hook up with fellow TFans members and share links you saw on eBay. We want to keep it that way without upsetting our fellow members and sponsors. We have defined a set of Terms & Conditions for posting in the End Cap that we require everyone who posts here to follow. Please read them BEFORE you post anything.


TFans.com Assumes No Responsibility

TFans.com can under no circumstances mitigate a sale or other deals made here in or anywhere else on the site. All transactions are the responsibility of the parties involved. TFans.com Assumes No Responsibility.


Do Not Sell or Trade here

The End Cap is the ONLY place on Tfans that can be used for selling and trading. Do not post items for sale here. Any posts made here by shops, sellers or others dealers with the intent to garner sales will be removed and the user account warned, moderated and or banned.


All Postings Must Be Honest, Legal and Safe

Do not post links to items for sale that offer drugs, pornography, dangerous substances or anything else deemed illegal.


No Toy Store or Commercial Postings

Posting by toy retailers, online shops, eBay dealers or other commercial organizations working for profit are not allowed. This includes but is not limited to:

- Posting with a user name that has a name meant to represent or promote an online store.
- Posting of links about store promotions or their auctions on eBay.
- Posting responses in the End Cap repeatedly with highly visible store advertising emedded in the post and/or its signature.


You Agree To These Terms

Your post here means your agree to these terms and conditions defined here within. You are responsible for knowing and following these terms as part of your agreement to use this site. TFans.com can and will edit or delete posts at its sole discretion that is feels infringe on these terms.

Can we post our own personal auctions here? Or in The End Cap? Or anywhere?

I know you don't want shedloads of people joining just to "pimp" their auctions, but what about regular members? I feel more comfortable if I'm bidding on an item that's being sold by a member here & I'd like to give good deals to members when I get round to clearing out the stacks of surplus toys I have building up. Maybe I've misread/misunderstood this, but are "Check Out My Listings Guys!" threads still allowed?

(Please feel free to delete this if it's a stupid question!)

Siburke I think this bit answers your question: "The End Cap is the ONLY place on TFans that can be used for selling and trading."

My question here is on this part: Do not post links to items for sale that offer drugs, pornography, dangerous substances or anything else deemed illegal.

What is TFans stance on Knock-offs? can we link auctions for these? I would guess since we cant sell in this forum that it will be OK.

Thanks

Why not just say "If you have something to sell, and you don't give this site money as a sponsor, then don't post here"? That's how all this comes off as anyway.

I didn't think posting eBay auctions in The End Cap was the "done" thing, that's why I ask.

So, can we post our own auctions in The End Cap now? Could we always do that? It'd be a shame to miss out on that part of "networking" here. Like I said before, I'd much rather a sweet eBay deal of mine went to a fellow member & vice-versa. I know we could just deal direct with people here, but what about the whole "trust" issue? What if that person's never dealt with people here before? What if they have joined quite recently? I wouldn't do a trade with someone I didn't know without some kind of "cover" as such. I know eBay can give a universal indicator of how a person conducts themselves & provides security for people who aren't "known" on here for their trading.

Sorry to waffle on, but I just wanna be 100% on what's allowed & what isn't.

In before possible drama.

Not really.

The End Cap is free to use for all members.

Unless you have a link to a commercial site or to something you are selling in your signature. Then, as it says, repeated posting will get you in trouble. If you aren't free to advertise pretty much whatever you like in your sig, be it a link to a site you enjoy or whatever, whats the point of even having sigs enabled? Most sites allow people to advertise whatever they like in their sigs as a nicety to their users...all their users. I've never heard a site sponsor complain about that kind of thing. So why is it specifically spelled out here?

It says NOTHING about what you have in your sig, just that repeated posting (ie: spamming) in The End Cap JUST to get your sig noticed isn't on. Without sounding patronising, you're quite new here & you'll see that the Staff are VERY reasonable. This thread is to make sure everyone knows the rules but they are not "Nazi-Mods" here. I'm sure anyone guilty will be tipped-off before they're banned & things will be sorted pretty easily.

So... what are you selling?



(I'M JOKING!!! )

That basically says, if you have advertising in your sig you can not post repeatedly in the forum. Unless there is some super secret version of this boards software running that lets you have a different signature for every thread you post in, at best you can post once in a thread without turning your sig off. The rules, as stated , make no reference to the content of a post, it just says repeatedly. It should be spelled out that repeatedly means repeatedly posting a response with the clear intent to do nothing other than make one's advertising visible and without addign to a conversation. It doesn't say that and I know for a fact that it will *and has* caused an issue.

IMO this is pretty lame. While I don't sell toys in any matter, telling your members not to post something that is obviously on ebay in the "seen it on ebay" forum seems ridiculous.

Many of the members here prefer to sell thier toys on ebay to make a profit. So are they allowed to post these links in the ENDCAP? And if not it appears to me that the only thing you are doing is barring your members from selling to other members on this site. No other TF forum site has this rule so what's the deal?

I understand needing to support your sponsers and as such barring and prohibiting other "actual stores" (actual store to me is someone that either has a building to sell thier wares in or a DOMAIN name belonging to them where thier stuff for sale is available) from posting threads about thier stores on this site but what about the members here who only have ebay stores (not an actual store but more of an easy way to find all that is currently being offered from one seller ON EBAY)????????

Basically this threads subject makes no sense and seems counter productive to members trading with members. If you want to block sales from outside stores that aren't paying for advertiseing than do so but I don't think it's fare to block members trying to promote the occassional ebay sale or even thier ebay store.

(AN EBAY STORE IS NOT AN ACTUAL STORE) I can think of one member right now who just got a warning for selling and does not have a store anywhere outside of ebay.

Again if you want to block "actual stores" from stealing advertising go right ahead but the way you have this portrayed right now seems terribly unclear, unfair and totally counterproductive to you members. And if zieg heil is the way it's gonna be than you can probably kiss a few members goodbye.

This is pathetic. Just read into it what you want. (Common sense?)

tis a bit daft but cest la vie, I will just post in the end cap

Why not just combine endcap and Seen it ebay?

So lemme get this straight, Since I am not paying to be a sponsor I am not allowed to post my auctions in this area anymore?

We don't want to be biased towards/against anyone. Use The End Cap please. People go there to buy and sell. That's the whole idea.

That is not the policy. You can't pay to post here or anywhere. You can buy a banner if you want to promote what you are doing for a profit. Be it $1 or $1000. It is in the members best interests that we not allow any. Too many people coming around just to "pimp" stuff is lame and we don't want to disrespect the sponosors we do have. They are key to Tfans offering 100% free Profiles, Now Image Galleries, and more to come.

BTW, an eBay store does not have to be a STORE like BBTS. If anyone is reselling new product in quantity to generate some monetary gain we deem it to be a for profit business. What is a business? What is not? That is arguable and why we dont allow any. Zing! Come here to post and sell from your collection to other collectors no problem. Just do not use this site or the members to make money. No matter how much you think are a *service* to the fans. Thank you.

Whats the difference between posting stuff for sale in the endcap or seen it on ebay eathier way people are still making money. Some people come here to post links just to make a quick buck yes but people like might gaine and other who also contribute to the board use the seen it on ebay. Alot of the new stuff on TFans is ass backwards and this is one of them.

My aplogies for the confusion. You cannot pay to post here. The End Cap is where people post their wares from collector to collector only please.

geez

what is it about eBay that incites such drama?

just post your eBay stuff in the End Cap where it belongs in the first place

then

'nuff said

Might Gaine is a dealer. He calls his eBay store a Might Gaines Toy Store. He's got over 500 feed-backs. A 9 year old can see he is buying cases of product to sell again. I have bought stuff from him that I know he had quantity of. Years ago. His signature says BUY MY TOYS! Come on. Sorry but - The emperor wears no clothes!

Regardless, I do regret his current membership status here is not due that incident alone. I can assure you.

Sorted!

I was always under the impression that The End Cap was just for like 1-on-1 trades, with no eBay involved. I always posted my eBay stuff in the Seen It On eBay forum. Makes much more sense (IMO) to put my eBay stuff in The End Cap, saving the eBay thread for interesting stuff, so my Q's been answered. Cheers Dude!




Alot of people post there own auctions in the Seen It On eBay forum so I just wanted to clear things up. It's posts like this one: http://www.TFans.com/talk/index.php?s=&...t&p=1062708 ...that got me wondering!?! I don't think asking where to post stuff is "drama" as you put it...but I do apologise if I've opened a can of worms here!

Here's my opinion on things.

You guys that are complaining just don't get it. Might Gaine has his own store. His avatar and sig are ads. He isn't just your average guy getting rid of a few things, which is what the Endcap forum was designed for. "Seen it on Ebay" wasn't designed to be advertisement either. He was asked rather nicely, at the start, to suspend that type of action. He refused. Furthermore, it doesn't help his case that he's only here to promote his stuff. This attitude is very selfish and uncalled for.

We don't allow solicitation from or to our members, because we have paying advertisers that would get the short end of the stick if we DID allow it. That's just not fair to them. If that was the case, they should just sign up here FOR FREE and then post their ads that way. Then TFans will go away, because it doesn't "stay in business". We do this so we don't have to ask our members for help. I'm sorry that you guys are having a hard time understanding, but it's very clear cut. Here's the bottom line. If you're a big time seller with your own store that you're going to promote, then buy an ad here. That's all it takes. Otherwise, stick to only advertising your small lots and single items. If you're selling stuff by the case, then you're pretty much a store, IMO.

Okay, to clear up any confusion, a short, to the point, direct answer to this question would probably make everything clear.

Q: If I have items from my personal collection currently for sale on Ebay, where (if anywhere) on TFans is it okay to post links to said auctions?



I think the confusion is based on the difference between "Hey guys, I'm selling my Fort Max on Ebay, here's the link", "Hey guys, I just saw a complete G1 Megatron on Ebay for only $40, here's the link", and "We just got in a shipment of the latest Kiss Players figures from Japan, we now have them available on Ebay for $44.95 each, here's the link". The way I understand it is that the first is okay to post in the end cap now, but not in Seen It On Ebay. The second is what is allowed in Seen It On Ebay, and the third is not okay anywhere on the board. If a staff member could clear that up or confirm my statement, I think drama can be averted.

As far as the sigs thing goes, I understand it that you can plug your own auctions in your sig without issue, but if your sig is a blatant billboard for your online store, your user name is "MyOnlineStore.com" and you do this:

after every post in every thread without adding any substantial discussion to the conversation, you're probably somewhere on the "next to be banned" list. Again, official clarification would be prudent.

The question isn't so much as to "where" you can post your stuff. It's all about WHAT you are posting. You can post your auction in either place, as far as I'm seeing. If it's an Ebay auction, I can see why you'd want to post it here. The point is, if you're running your online store at TFans expense, that's not cool. If you're just getting rid of a few things, there's nothing wrong with that. There shouldn't be any "Kabaya Transformers Model sets now available. Check my store for more info." threads or posts.

From what I read its, you post others auctions here, your own personal auctions go into endcap.

That would actually work. But, as I said. That's not what this is really about.

You mean the site pimping then? I remember we went through this about personal fourms also.

There shouldn't be any site pimping posts or threads OR any store pimping posts or threads.

EXACTLY... this site has way too many pimps, not nearly enough hookers.

What?

I'm so incredibly confused...

On the one hand it is ok to post our auction here (as long as I'm not a store) on the other hand it's not...

But it is ok for someone else to post a link to our auction here.

So, yes or no if we are selling a few items on ebay (and we are not a store) can we post the link here?

Or should we ask other ppl to post our links here so that they can claim they "seen it on ebay"?

Good to see the staff has no clue and canot follow the rules.

*sigh* these are new guidelines, there's no need to get your panties in a bunch about it

yeah but no ones actually clear on what you can and cannot do ?????? ''sigh'' off to the Allspark

I was under the impression that i've made it very clear. Some of you folks just seem to be having trouble reading between the lines. I was also curious to why you'd want to take off just because of the Seen it on Ebay forum. *does not post at the Allspark*

It's pretty straightforward:

TFans subsists off ad revenue from guys w/ online stores who buy ad space here. Therefore, if you have an online store it's not cool to post links to your stuff in the forums here, because you'd be getting for free what others legitimately pay for.

If you don't have an online store.... (which most people don't)... then it doesn't apply to you. Post your stuff in the End Cap as you always have (including links to stuff you're selling on eBay). You can also link to auctions for stuff being sold by others, if it's just a "hey check out what I found" thing, not "hey I'm pimping this guy's eBay store for him".

Teh Cuban has a way with the words. Listen to him.

Yeah as mud...

Only if English isn't your first language.

so i can still post my auctions here without getting Blot from the mods, right? but if i was a ebay-store-that would be a no go. thats how i understand it. right or wrong? let me know.

Hey, whatever man, it's all good. I used to really love the eBay section until all this controversy started. This is your board, and you can do whatever you want with it.

You're exactly right.

ok!

isnt it great when you have 2 pages of guff that you get slammed because you dont understand it, maybe if you had said from the word go only post your own personal auctions no stores then people would understand, try not talking to them like Blot aswell!

The wording wasn't as clear as it could have been; it's being amended. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks Pete it wasnt aimed at you I thought autobot maximal could have been a bit more tactful but cest la vie, joy to all !!

I see it as you could have been a bit more understanding, but to each their own. If you guys wouldn't go on the defensive so fast, this wouldn't come to such an issue. No one is trying to take anything away from you. We've got our own clients to protect. This site is ultimately here for you guys, but we also can't allow abuse.

Thats fine agree to disagree but please have a look at this thread and see that every one who posted in it clearly did not understand what changes you were asking for so the confusion was universal, pete and yourself have cleared it up which is greatly appreciated all I was saying was there was no need to talk down to us to make that change.

Everyone's happy now so let's just stay happy

and buy my stuff on eBay