Okay so season 2 finished up. A great season, for Zuko as a character, not much for Ang other than being a whiny baby about having to be the avatar. I miss season 1 Ang's jovialness but oh well. I always knew Iro would join the good guys, but I expected Zuko to follow suit. Even though it is still evident he will eventually, his betrayal of Iro at the end of season 2 was enough to make me not care for his redemption.... f*cker

I was disappointed as well, but I can't say I was surprised. Zuko is one of the key characters in the show, second only to Aang in importance probably. His story arc is only 50% finished now; a fully redeemed Zuko at this point would leave you with nothing for him for the next two seasons.

Plus he's still obviously conflicted about his decision. I think there's a lot that needs to happen with his character yet anyway.

Also, to be realistic, were we really expecting Zuko to completely reverse everything that had ever defined him just because he spent a few months serving tea? Yes, he learned a lot and grew a lot, but his desire to regain his father's approval was probably just dormant rather than destroyed. It could have gone away in time... if he'd stayed in that tea shop for the next 20 years, perhaps. But he's still too close to his old life to really be free from it yet.

BTW I didn't really think Aang was being whiny; the very first time it was revealed that he was the Avatar, his response was "I never wanted it". If anything, his decision to let go of Katara at the end of the final episode was proof of his willingness to accept who he is.

And I thought you would have been all like "Aang is who I am; the Avatar is what I can do" about him or some such gheyness

eat me

Can I just say that Zuko's grandpa is the best character ever? Because he is.

Zuko's grandfather is dead, n00B

you mean his uncle, I think

(and I agree BTW)

to Mako

i wonder who they will replace mako with

I meant uncle

and with everyone else

I love this show so much...it hurts, really it does!
And yes...RIP to Mako and Iro is the best character EVAH!

I gotta catch up.

We've heard his replacement in one or two episodes already.

I was under the impression that they had recorded all of "book" two before his passing. At least that's how it sounded to me since I was listening and I couldn't hear any difference in his voice. So if they already had replaced him, they did a heck of a job.

word, because if that isn't mako in the final episode of book 2 i'm super impressed

I'm starting to see a pattern here with Hot Rod and terribly dubbed martial arts anime

AVATAR IS NOT DUBBED YOU KNOB

Nor is it anime which actually makes it better, there's a horrible lack of good story telling in North American cartoons.

Emerje

I agree, I love the fact that it uses anime conventions but doesn't have an anime sensibility.

USA! USA!

That's news to me.

I know what your talking about as well as seen the promos but never actually have seen any of it?

How good is this really?

Yea, same here So it LOOKS like anime but ISN'T anime. Well that's a good one m'lord.[/blackadder-Percy]

But seriously I didn't know. I suppose it's another american company trying to be cool and act like they can create an anime-type show

In a sense, yes, but if you ever get a chance to read an interview with the creators you'll find that these guys aren't at all shy about naming their inspirations and seem to know enough about anime to pull from the best aspects and go light on some of the others. This isn't Teen Titans or Totally Spies where they don't know when to quit with the sight gages, these guys have perfected timing on Avatar. Couple that with deep, meaningful story telling (something that seems minor in one episode can be important in a later episode), great animation and character designs, flawless voice acting, and some very impressive fight coordination (Zuko versus Jet FTW!) with the entire concept of "bending" and all of its intricacies, they may have come close to making the most perfect and well rounded animated series to be produced in the US.

I remember when the first episode premiered thinking, "Hey, this is really good, I bet Nick cancels it before the end of the month." Thankfully they seem to be just as happy about it, enough so that they're actually starting to look into airing real anime again too (Akihabara@DEEP and Domo-kun are supposed to air soon).

Emerje

No, not in complete episodes, and only in minor parts. Like the episode they paid honor to mako, it wasn't mako's voice in the end of iroh's segement. There was another time, but I can't remember when, or that was the only time ((seriously the most I remember now is that all the fanboys/girls make hundreds of thread how they hate zuko now.))

To answer the questions etc., Avatar is one of the best shows I've seen on TV. Of course now that I've said that, you'll watch it and be disappointed. But it really is fantastic. The writing is first-rate, as is the animation; the characters are compelling, the story totally draws you in... it really is an epic. Conceptually it's great; the world is very clearly influenced by Oriental culture, but it also has a rather Western sensibility in some ways. And it's funny as crap when it needs to be. On top of that it's got a lot of artsy touches that give me wood.

They know how to use all the conventions of anime humor, but it's not overdone at all. It always fits with the mood of the scene etc. And there are a lot of "WHOA" moments in the show.

They have both seasons on iTunes for $30 each if you're interested in going that route. (20 episodes per season)

I could go on, but it just rules a lot. I mean, at the end of season one I found myself saying "man this f*cking rules".

Avatar is truely a gem in the vast wasteland of animation. Its intelligently written, not dumbed down for the youngsters. Its story is solid, exciting and humourous. Just the right mix. Don't watch it with super high expectations just leave your mind open and I guarantee you'll be entertained in one form or another. If you're going to go into it with negative perspectives then don't watch it at all and go back to watching... "blech"
Dragonball Z.

Just when you think Avatar can only keep going up, this happens:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111795695...=1&nid=2564

"M. Night Shyamalan and Paramount are planning their own "Avatar" project, based on the popular Nickelodeon kids TV series.
The filmmaker has inked a three-picture deal with Par's MTV Films and Nick Movies to adapt animated kiddie skein "Avatar: The Last Airbender" for the bigscreen. He will write, direct and produce the potential kids franchise.

Film version will be live-action."



Talk about a sure-fire way to destroy a popular franchise. And people think the live action Transformers is a bad idea...

Emerje

http://www.TFans.com/talk/index.php?showtopic=57679

D'oh!

Emerje

Iro is awesome... I'm not the biggest fan of Avatar( my sister & one of my vassals run circles around me with it), but I must say it is a great show. One last thought, Zuko's sister is a YOU KNOW WHAT!!! It rhymns with witch.

yeah, i really hope Sokka sticks his boomerang in her dried up crusty..... ...... heart. and stuff.

In case j00 weren't aware, book 2 disk 1 is on dvd disk 2 won't be available until april 10th

iTunes store FTW, I got the whole season for $30

i'm a dvd whore. Plus burning all those eps to DVD here at work (because watching them on my computer would make my Hotspot pucker) would take more time than I care to commit to it. I have every naruto at my house on computer, but that doesn't stop me from buying them on the uncut DVDs

Not that I'm not getting the box sets... it's just a lot easier to wait this way

I also have young kids and not as much TV access as I might like at times.

i like avatar but i have not yet seen all of the second season due to Nick going back to the start and reseting twice made me stop watching, i may have to see wether it is at a point i can watch from again so i can see the end to book two (i'm wondering if there will be more than one more season (Aang already being an air bender makes me doubt there will be any more after the next if it is fire)

IMO a live action version of this could not work properly in real life, it's only semi-believable because it's a cartoon, live action it would just be cheesy if it isn't artistic)

the first four words you hear in the show intro are "water, earth, fire, air" which matches the progression of the story thus far. Going by what happens at the end of season 2, I think "Fire" would make a very appropriate title for "book three".

and BTW the show is best when watched in one sitting... if possible

"It looks like Long Feng is LONG GONE! Heh, yeah, I've been waiting to use that one."

Interesting show, and the fight scenes are intricate. Very impressive.

And hey whoa... did someone say Teen Titans sucks? A very good show when told in Story Arc form.

I found this just now, it's old news but still might be considered slightly spoiler-y:

(from http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=top&am...sitem_no=17250)

wow... FECK! I haven't seen any season 3 since I hadn't seen all of season 2 I was just waiting for the DVDs

Man, I need to start watching this again...

Had no idea season 3 was on...

i am sure its not yet

WHERE IS BOOK 2 COMPLETE R

???

I'm pretty sure there is no season 3 on the air yet, either that or I am about to be mega pissed

BTW iTunes has every episode of Avatar from seasons 1 & 2

Missunderstood what someone said...

SHe's hot, though. As a character, she's one of the most interesting characters, being vicious, straightlined, powerfull, determined, and intelligent. Unlike Zuko, who is not much different than your standard "tormented loner" anti-hero. Where the more we learn from Zuko makes us more symphatetic to him, the more we learn from Azula, we gain more knowledge and understanding of her character, yet no sympathy.

Anyone know when the new season starts?

some neat info

This summer? How is it that I know nothing about this? I WANT THIS SHOW NOWZZZZZZ

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7629

OMFG

Fire nation clothes

WTF? I don't get this. I thought the show was supposed to start airing again in the summer...

well as long as I get to see it, I don't really care I guess

well at least we know the seemingly long hiatus wasn't due to poor show support or anything BTW Aang with hair made me think I was looking at Zuko at first.

http://www.avatarspirit.com/index.php#438

"Season 3 to Premiere at 8 PM EST on September 21st!"

wow

HOLY EFFING EFF-NESS

http://www.miraelizabeth.com/season3trailercomp.mov

I haven't seen any Avatar Shows but that looks interesting.