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some of you have been wondering what Civil War is all about. Well here's the lowdown. After the events of House of M and Decimation (people going nuts on power and people losing power, people lashing out more at mutants and metahumans), the government is requiring that all powered individuals register their powers and identities. This includes all powered heroes (super powered or powered by technology), and even individuals that are not heroes but have a power. Most villains' identities are known by the gov't, but not all of the heroes are. So of course, this means guys like Spider-Man and Daredevil have to register with the gov't. And of course the two guiding figures behind the New Avengers are divided on this: Captain America and Iron Man. Cap of course supports the decision, Iron Man does not. And the line is drawn. Those who disagree and refuse to comply unite with Iron Man and are declared enemies of the state. Those that agree with Cap are sent to bring in those that don't. So it's marvel hero vs marvel hero. And of course, the Illuminati (Iron Man, Xavier, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Namor, and Black Bolt) are on the side the gov't is after. Here's a pic of that team, I'll let you know when they post a pic of Cap's side of the war.
Actually, I don't think any personal POVs of certain Marvel characters have been revealed yet. I have seen this pic before, but that pic being just the side of the rebels, and the fact that another is due for Cap's side is news to me.
I do agree, though, that what you say lays in line of their characters. Cap sees this as something for the betterment of the USA, while IM sees this as an intrusion into his private domain, a place where no one is allowed to come.
I am suprised to see the Fantastic Four in that pic, though. They have always been among the most public people in the Marvel-verse. I can't really think of a reason why they would believe the PRA (Power Registration Act) is wrong.
Isn't Hulk suppose to be off-world during Civil War? He has his Planet Hulk thing going on, I believe, which Quesada stated to be related to CW.
It's strange that most of the X-men are allied with IM, yet some of them are distinctly absent. Where's Beast? Angel? And others? Cable also seems to be missing there, yet Deadpool is present. Toxin? Also not here.
I do agree, though, that what you say lays in line of their characters. Cap sees this as something for the betterment of the USA, while IM sees this as an intrusion into his private domain, a place where no one is allowed to come.
I am suprised to see the Fantastic Four in that pic, though. They have always been among the most public people in the Marvel-verse. I can't really think of a reason why they would believe the PRA (Power Registration Act) is wrong.
Isn't Hulk suppose to be off-world during Civil War? He has his Planet Hulk thing going on, I believe, which Quesada stated to be related to CW.
It's strange that most of the X-men are allied with IM, yet some of them are distinctly absent. Where's Beast? Angel? And others? Cable also seems to be missing there, yet Deadpool is present. Toxin? Also not here.
I don't get why Bouncing Boy, Lex Luthor, and Chewbacca are in the Marvel Universe, much less involved in this "Civil War." (Forgive me, but I've been out of touch with Marvel for some time now.)
And why would Silver Surfer even have to register? He's not even a citizen of the Earth, so I'm pretty sure he won't even be able to register under that act (bureaucratic reasons.)
How many times has this "Superhuman Registrations Act" plot device been used? Is it for real this time?
And why would Silver Surfer even have to register? He's not even a citizen of the Earth, so I'm pretty sure he won't even be able to register under that act (bureaucratic reasons.)
How many times has this "Superhuman Registrations Act" plot device been used? Is it for real this time?
Marvel: Once, but in a far more restricted manner, only relating to mutants, not all powered individuals.
Comics in general: Watchmen, for instance, though not in a similar manner like this. In Watchmen, it was part of the backgroundstory. Here, it's the main point of the story, the centrepiece, the main plot.
Comics in general: Watchmen, for instance, though not in a similar manner like this. In Watchmen, it was part of the backgroundstory. Here, it's the main point of the story, the centrepiece, the main plot.
If there is a Capt. A side pic, why is Capt. A in this one?
What superhuman powers does Punisher, Puck, and Black Widow have? I don't get this - if anybody with a costume can register, how are they going to be able to enforce this?
Oh good, another Avengers reboot... 
And yet, if they can make it compelling, I'm all over it like stink on rice.
And yet, if they can make it compelling, I'm all over it like stink on rice.
I like to see teams implode if for plausible reasons.
"Enemies" will take sides together, and friends will split...this summer will rock.
"Enemies" will take sides together, and friends will split...this summer will rock.
QUOTE (CX-1 @ Jan 15 2006, 01:55 PM)
If there is a Capt. A side pic, why is Capt. A in this one?
$5 says that's the John Walker Cap, as in the replacement who later became U.S. Agent full-time before popping up as Captain America in "New Invaders."
QUOTE (Strikeback @ Jan 15 2006, 06:39 PM)
Oh good, another Avengers reboot...
And yet, if they can make it compelling, I'm all over it like stink on rice.
And yet, if they can make it compelling, I'm all over it like stink on rice.
"Stink on rice"? Never heard of that expression.
I don't think this is an Avengers reboot, more like another giant crossover even that, hopefully, would further pare down the Marvel Universe and clean up a lot of the stuff that the past reboots had caused.
This looks interesting. Who would side with Captain America in this?
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Jan 16 2006, 03:34 PM)
This looks interesting. Who would side with Captain America in this?
Hmmm....US Agent, Stingray, SHIELD, X Factor maybe? You would think the Thunderbolts...maybe Mach IV's splinter group...
No Avengers reboot, but a prelude to this is the miniseries "Illuminati", which was originally intended to be a story-arch for New Avengers.
this is not an Avenger's reboot, this is a hero vs hero type story. And I bet that SHIELD is gonna use those villains and vibranium they've been stockpiling against the heroes on Iron Man's side. And apparently Spidey will not be sure who to side with. Obviously his loyalty will be torn since he owes so much to Tony (a home for his family, and his Iron Spider costume).
Apparently I misunderstood the info I was initially given. That is Cap in the picture, and that's just a shot of some of the heroes involved. I heard rumors that there might be cover for each side of the battle (Iron Man and Cap's respective teams), but that has not yet been confirmed. That image I posted will probably be one of the cover's, but it's just showcasing some of the heroes involved. But wouldn't it be cool if USAgent sided with Iron Man instead of Cap.
Apparently I misunderstood the info I was initially given. That is Cap in the picture, and that's just a shot of some of the heroes involved. I heard rumors that there might be cover for each side of the battle (Iron Man and Cap's respective teams), but that has not yet been confirmed. That image I posted will probably be one of the cover's, but it's just showcasing some of the heroes involved. But wouldn't it be cool if USAgent sided with Iron Man instead of Cap.
I really dont see too many siding with CAP. Superheroes dont generally go all "pro america" Im gessing they'd wanna keep their own agenda and/or counter identities out of the public picture.
I believe the Fantastic Four, led by Reed Richards, would side with the government and Cap. Am, partly because they have been in the public eye for most of their super-hero lives. Also, I can see ex-Avengers like Wonder-man and Beast siding on that side, because of their lack of hidden identities.
Since the super-powers act causes all people to register, includeing mutants, I doubt Beast, or any of the X-men will side with the government.
In the latest issue of 'the other' story line, Iron man said something, and Cap's responce was "I agree with Tony"
not for long.
In the latest issue of 'the other' story line, Iron man said something, and Cap's responce was "I agree with Tony"
not for long.
check out the variant cover by Michael Turner over at newsarama. So who's blood do you think is on Cap's shield?
QUOTE (Big Grim @ Feb 9 2006, 06:15 AM)
check out the variant cover by Michael Turner over at newsarama. So who's blood do you think is on Cap's shield?
I don't think it's any one person's blood, per se--to my understanding, the thing that divided the heroes is...
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wow, I did not know that is what divides the heroes. Man, I can't wait for this to come out.
I wonder which Ghost Rider that is Johnny or Dan?
I just noticed the "young avengers" were on that first mentioned cover, I guess now it doesnt have to make any sense.
I wonder how they are going to have the Hulk in this story since with the Planet Hulk story that going to be running into 2007. It would be hard for the Hulk to part of the civil war story if he is on another part of the Marvel Universe. But hell that hasn't stopped Wolverine before...
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Feb 9 2006, 02:09 PM)
I just noticed the "young avengers" were on that first mentioned cover, I guess now it doesnt have to make any sense.
I don't understand what you're getting at here?
what i mean is, the young avengers are from the future right? so, why are they on a cover for civil war, which is in the "present"?
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Feb 11 2006, 10:33 AM)
what i mean is, the young avengers are from the future right? so, why are they on a cover for civil war, which is in the "present"?
um, you need to read the book cuz you obviously have a coupla misconceptions about the book. For one thing, they're not from the future. Iron Lad is a teenage version of Kang the Conqueror, armed with a bio-metal suit that responds to mental commands. Patriot is Elijah Bradley, grandson of Isaiah Bradley, the first Captain America (the black one from Truth). Wiccan (formerly Asgardian) is Billy Kaplan. He is a witch, who can use magic for flight, lightning generation and spell-casting. And Hulkling is Teddy Altman. He has shapeshifting abilities, and enhanced strength. Recent events show he is likely to be a Kree/Skrull hybrid.
They were brought together by the remains of Vision. Check out the articlewikipedia for more info.
Young Avengers is a great read...first arc was fun, but this mess witht he super skrull...GOOD time 
Just picked up Wizard #174, with a 6-page preview of "Civil War." Um...all I can say is I hope none of you are New Warriors fans...
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QUOTE (Strikeback @ Mar 12 2006, 08:02 PM)
Just picked up Wizard #174, with a 6-page preview of "Civil War." Um...all I can say is I hope none of you are New Warriors fans...
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yeah, that is the event that is gonna set off the whole thing, mass casualties like that have a way of turning people's perception of certain things, this time, superbeings in general
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QUOTE (Strikeback @ Mar 12 2006, 08:02 PM)
Just picked up Wizard #174, with a 6-page preview of "Civil War." Um...all I can say is I hope none of you are New Warriors fans...
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yeah, that is the event that is gonna set off the whole thing, mass casualties like that have a way of turning people's perception of certain things, this time, superbeings in general
Well, I was sitting here thinking about something as well, and it seems like one thing that could drive a wedge this big between Iron Man & Capt. America is the death of one of Cap's friends. In other words, I fear for the Falcon for irrational reasons.
Minority Hero'd....
This is definitly going to be a good read. One question, is this going to tie into new avengers or no?
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Mar 13 2006, 10:55 PM)
This is definitly going to be a good read. One question, is this going to tie into new avengers or no?
Well, the result of Civil War will cause the present team of New Avengers to break up. So, err.....Guess the answer is 'yes'?
how could it not tie in when it involves members of the team being pitted against each other.
QUOTE (Big Grim @ Mar 13 2006, 05:59 PM)
how could it not tie in when it involves members of the team being pitted against each other.
Well remember, Marvel doesn't have continuity, so...
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QUOTE (Big Grim @ Mar 13 2006, 05:59 PM)
how could it not tie in when it involves members of the team being pitted against each other.
Well remember, Marvel doesn't have continuity, so...
that's a very good point
ok, so you guys answered my last question over several posts. anyone pick up the illuminati crossover yet?
i havnt managed to get to the comics shop in a week or so, im hoping they still have it when i manage to get out there to pick it up
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Mar 31 2006, 04:23 PM)
ok, so you guys answered my last question over several posts. anyone pick up the illuminati crossover yet?
I tried, but they were sold out.
But they said they'd have more in Wednesday.
I got Avengers: The Illuminati. It was interesting to say the least for a comic about periodic meetings with no real action except for Namor punching Iron Man out the window. Still a good setup for civil war.
So, I just got Wizard #175, and there's a section on what will happen in "Civil War," basically a series of questions followed by four choices and Mark Millar's take. Lemme just say...wow. So, here's the rundown followed by a Spoiler Tag predicting my pick of the four & why. And for those who want to be totally surprised, I'm just gonna wrap the whole thing in one big spoiler tag for you to decide if you want to read it or not.
Here we go!
Man, May can't hurry up and come soon enough for me.
Here we go!
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)Man, May can't hurry up and come soon enough for me.
that was indepth. how much of that estimation is correct we wont know until it actually comes out.
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Apr 8 2006, 07:25 AM)
that was indepth. how much of that estimation is correct we wont know until it actually comes out.
That's why it's called "speculation."
QUOTE (Strikeback @ Apr 8 2006, 05:08 PM)
QUOTE (HEADMASTER @ Apr 8 2006, 07:25 AM)
that was indepth. how much of that estimation is correct we wont know until it actually comes out.
That's why it's called "speculation."
good job, really well thought out. We'll see how much of it comes to pass
Just read FF #537, and MAN this is going to be a good set-up. Thor's hammer has officially touched down and Doom is back! Not only that's he's laying claim to the hammer under some sovereign right.
One thing: the hammer buzzed a small commuter plane with 5 people, and the caption box read, "But their story will be for another time." Wonder if it ties into Civil War?
One thing: the hammer buzzed a small commuter plane with 5 people, and the caption box read, "But their story will be for another time." Wonder if it ties into Civil War?
or a new thor series...
QUOTE (Starscreamer @ Apr 13 2006, 08:32 PM)
or a new thor series...
Y'know, you may be right--I remember Neil Gaiman pitched a new Thor series soon after Disassembled, and Millar loved it so much he said the instant he read it he leapt out of the bathtub and talked with Quesada naked for like 45 minutes, begging him to let him write it. Then the Thor reboot got put on "indefinite hold" last I heard. Maybe this is his chance at last?
I'm still surprised that Iron Man is FOR the registration act and Cap is AGAINST it, and that Iron Man coerced Spidey into joining his side. I've always liked Tony and disliked Cap, and this just confuses the crap outta me 
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