OK, here's the deal. The Dreamwave G1 comic is not based off of the first two seasons of the original G1 cartoon. You can tell because various characters from those seasons were still on Cybertron. The crew of the Ark consisted of Optimus Prime, Prowl, Jazz, Ironhinde, Hound, Trailbreaker, Mirage, Cliffjumper, Bumblebee, Bluestreak, Gears, Huffer, Ratchet, Brawn, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Wheeljack, Windcharger, Grimlock and the Dinobots, and the Aerialbots. The Nemesis crew consisted of Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Lazerbeak, and the Constructicons. This is why we don't see characters like Blaster, Perceptor, the Stunticons, and the Protectobots (who were in the first two seasons) until G1 vol 2. The G1 comic is based on the what just about everyone knows: the TFs crashed on earth, awoke in the 80s, continued their war after adapting new forms based on earth vehicles. Interesting how such a small number of Decepticons can cause trouble for such a large group of Autobots, though. Similarly, the War Within comic is not the origins of the war found in the cartoon, as seen by the presence of the Dinobots and other TFs who were built on earth in the original G1 cartoon. The War Within is the backdrop for the ongoing G1 comic. Think all those Year One comics DC did post-Crisis. And since War Within was written by Simon Furman, to me it's pretty much the Covenant of Primus. Again, the G1 ongoing and the War Within comics are not the same continuity as the original G1 cartoon. Dreamwave is making their own comic continuity, much like how Marvel did.

well yeah...but there is a lot of stuff that obviously happened before Vol. 1...The Ark crash is said to have happened in '99. That means it happened AFTER the end of Season 2...and everything that they alude to before the crash could be the show. Oh well...I guess not.

P.S. The Constructicons were originally created on Earth...but later in the series we see them on Cybertron before they left. I don't know what the official origin of them was eventually given, but in Heavy Metal War (their first appearance) we hear Megatron say something like, "These Constructicons were worth the time we spent building them here in these caverns."
Also in Desertion of the Dinobots, when the TFs were all suffering from lack of Cybertroniam, the Constructicons and Dinobots were the only ones that could function (since they were all built on Earth).
ALSO, the original constructicon toys came out in '85, so it is only fitting that they would have not been invented until the end of the first season, right???

Who knows about those crazy Constructicons.

simple, the original G1 cartoon would at often times contradict itself, and the origins of the Constructicons is an example of that. Megatron says they were built on earth, yet we also saw that their feud with Omega Supreme (who supposedly was also built on earth) began during the civil war on Cybertron. And yes, the Ark II did crash in '99, but you cannot put all of the episodes from seasons when and two in this continuity since you are dealing with a significantly smaller cast, especially on the Decepticon side. And unlike the first 2 seasons, the TFs never travelled back and forth between earth and Cybertron until G1 vol 2. And since the second season took place in the 80s, you end up with a lot of untold stories not seen in the cartoon. Like when the armies of the earth joined forces with the Autobots against the Decepticons in the late 90s. Thats a story Dreamwave should tell in another mini of sorts

Dreamwave is making their own continuity for G1. And I must tell you, I like it so far. I'm not even trying to connect the G1 cartoon to Dreamwaves comic continuity.

yeah, that's the best way to do it. It's easier to connect Dreamwave continuity to the Marvel continuity then to the cartoon continuity

Well there is one explination to omega sureme and the Constructicons being on earth. There minds were on cbertron something happend to them and they were built new bodies on earth. Anyways that is how some got on earth in the Marvel comic. And kinda have things from both the comic and the cartoon in it. They do mention buster witwicky in the first series and he only appeared in the comic. Spike is the one who had the most influence in the new comic. But he was mainly in the cartoon. He was brought into teh marvel comic but had a pretty limited role. I think they actually try to take more from the cartoon because that is what most people know.

very true. the cartoon had the more familiar characters, but the comic had others like the pretenders and other headmasters/targetmasters not seen in the show. the storylines are also more serious than in the cartoon, sans the movie of course. that's why i said you can connect to the marvel continuity (pretenders, etc), but i also see your point about using G1 characters. i guess like beastwars, Dreamwave's comic borrows from both the cartoon and comic continuity.

I like the DW comic continuity. While there are connections and similarities to the cartoon and comic, I like the direction that it is going in. It's fresh and keeps the fan interested. Good for DW to generate interest like that

okay picked it up and it was good,and as always dw through a few things in for the fans.


we see a few of the repainted minibots and hubcap training

jetfire appears at the end of this one.he appears as jetfire[the toy,repainted macross valk]my guess is this is his cybertronian form.
but in the previews for issue #3 he is clearly represented in earth form[skyfire from the toon] so in the begining of issue #3 we may see him get his earth form

i think this was great of dw to do this,it definitly stops the people who say jetfire and skyfire are not the same tf.

also grapple informs us that prime will be as good as new soon.
ultra magnus is also as good as new and in his new armor.

now as for the acting leader till prime comes back its prowl not um,i love the fact that prowl is finally acknowledged as the second in command[his tech spec always had him as rank 9]

is Jetfire's cybertronian form the same as the one in Dark Ages or what? I have no idea what Skyfire looks like, he doesn't look like Jetfire?

he looks different to me, doesnt look like himself fr/ tww vol2

kay, guess I'll have to see for myself when I get mine tonight. Thanx.

skyfire[toon] and jetfire[toy] are the same tf.

you see the toy was simply a repaint of a valk from macross and the tf from the cartoon was the same tf,but with a different name.

skyfire is the one on the cover iof issue 3


and this is jetfire

Not the same, and I love the tie in too. But hes probably got a battle mask on like he had in War Withen Dark Ages. It has that blank face with the red visor slash for eyes.

I knew the mask was a send up to Jetfire/Skyfire, I just didn't know which one. Until now. Thanx guys

They are the same person of course, Takara had 2 different toy compaines competeing to make a Skyfire, this one won over the other who was already incorporated into the American cartoon as Skyfire, they named the toy Jetfire b/c of the discrepencies. Then again I may have it backwards in that the cartoon may have come afterward. Sorry cant excatly remember, but it all had to do with contracts and licensing. Either way they were always supossed to be the same character. Glad to see the DW consolidating them together into one guy with battle mask. I noticed they did that for Brawn and BumbleBee too so that they are both toy and comic/cartoon acurate.

yeah, I notice those faceplates. Bumblebee's in War Within, and Brawn's in G1 #1

yes dw is making them the same tf,but guys it isnt just a battle mask.

the jetfire we see in this issue is in his cybertronian[toy] form,look close you'll see

and i belive next issue he will find an earth[toon] form suitable.

yeah, I noticed that too. I always liked the toon form better.

I still have to say that it is a mask, I think either he will be reformated with a battle mask and in that shot he has it off, or that just drew him like that on the cover for kicks. Kind of like how they drew in the insecticons on the cover of g1 vol2 issue 1.

Nice come up with all the pic shots KP, and your Jetfire is in pretty good condition. Mines all banged up and I had to replace his right arm and exuipment with the Galaxy Dfenders version by Bandi, perfect fit but the colors are off. Better then nothing of course.

i dont belive you understand,there are 2 pics of jetfire on the last 2 pages.
1 on the left in his cybertronian form and 1 on the right in his arth form.

the differences are there.
jetfire is different from head too toe in the 2 pics.

if you look closely you can see that jetfire's head,arms,torso,legs and even his paint ap is entirely different in each pic.

that is why he isnt just wearing a helmet.

im not sure if your aware but a when a tf comes to earth it usually takes a suitable earth mode,when this happens jetfire will return to the way he apears in fire in the sky

yeah, you got a taste of his earth alt mode in MTMTE #3

I'm looking at them right now one he is standing next to Starscream in the first mode, the other is the cover of issue 3. Of course I know that they get reformatted with a earth mode, don't be insulting . They do look completely different, they are styled like the two different versions we have seen in the show and the toy, like we have been saying through this whole thread. What I am saying is that I think he will be reformatted to look like "Skyfire" but I don't think he will lose the mask completely, I think that DW will use it in shots every once in a while just to keep it as part of his character history, the way they did with Bumble Bee and Brawn. It wont always be there but he can put it on any time he wants, even though he will look like he does on the cover of issue 3. What I meant by them maybe messing with us is that DW has done covers before that have nothing to do with the issue or is different from the content of the issue. I just meant that they might have done that cover like that just for kicks and keep Jetfire looking like he does in issue 2, but its unlikely. I too think that he will be reformatted to look like Skyfire, that is the most obvious conclusion from the cover shot of issue 3.

Actualy I missed issues 1 and 3 and havent been able to get copies. I have 3 different comic shops with them on backorder for me for the last 2 months with no luck.

Ah the ol' Jetfire confusion. Here's some light.

Why did they turn Jetfire into "Skyfire"?
http://www.corollaperformance.com/other/tf...aq6.html#II/C/7

Why is Jetfire just like a Robotech Veritech fighter?
http://www.corollaperformance.com/other/tf...aq6.html#II/B/3

Was there a Skyfire toy?
http://www.corollaperformance.com/other/tf...aq6.html#II/B/4

hey kp, what easter eggs were you talking about? I wanna make sure I don't miss anything.

i said they had some easter eggs?


well here is what i saw.

season 3 minibots in the training facility.
skyfire having the appearance of the jetfire toy
sunstorm calling ss brother[it may not be an egg,but its cool because sunstorm is a repaint]

umm there where some more ill go back and look

yeah, I caught those. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on anything. Thanx

no prob grim.

now all i have to do is wait for my df cover for #1 and vol 2 tpb to come out

the DF cover was out at my comic shop.

would that be the one with wheeljack on the cover?


if so my comic shop hasnt recieved it yet

um, I think. I know it's not the one with the Dinobots or the Decepticons. You got a picture?

sorry no pic,but its in the back of issue #1

kay, I'll check when I go home this weekend, but i'm pretty sure that's the one they have.

thanks

THE DF COVER WAS OUT AY MINE TOO.

damn my comic shop must be getting it in late

why didn't they make a toy version of skyfire(toon version)?

Do you think Sunstorm called Starscream "brother" because they are, or because he is a religious zealot and its just a generic term?

the seekers consider themselves brothers. like optimus and magnus do, cause they're the same mold.

all repaints call each other brother

yeah.

I...I probably deserved that.... 1

dude, it wasn't aimed at you. Relax, it was just a joke

love the whole skyfire/jetfire thing adn how each has his own "look" great issue overall, wouldnt mind seeing some "less popular" characters play big roles...like Skids

actually this series so far has focussed on the less pop characters and i love that.

imo prowl would have been a great leader,certainly better than rodimus

meh, Prowl always annoyed me. He's too "by the book," plus he has a low tolerance for Grimlock. And yeah, there's been a lot of background characters in this. Skids was even on the Autobot High Council with Inferno, Red alert, and Grapple. I also like how they're showing more of the minibots in the current arc. But where the heck are my Dinobots?!

As for Jetfire's appearance its rather simple. He's wearing his battle armor on the last page and some time during issue 3 he loses it and the head is just a battle helmet. Besides if it was his Cybertronian form he would have a cockpit section on one shoulder and a rear tail section on the other and no boosters.

all shall be revealed in due time, approximately a month.

but so was prime,anyway he was my favorite autobot and still is to this day[rid prowl rocked also]