So i know everyone is tired of repaints *cough*battlekitty*cough*. But what would you say if you were told that the next Alternator would not be a licensed vehicle, but something like Hot Rod's alt mode or RID car brothers? With highly detailed "realistic" vehicles (interiors, exterior detail, etc..) but with alternator size, transformations, and posability? With true homages galore?

I said both, they wont give us a modern bug, but we could do a classic bug without the logos and get our bumblebee I think they should still get licenses but screw the germans over as much as possible

I was gonna say no, but your Hot Rod idea really got me going.
I think it would work like a charm, and even keep the line going stronger!

Eh, I actually like that they're real cars. Sure it's a buzzkill that there aren't any Lamborghinis or Porsches in this line, but I'd rather have a real car than an "almost real" ripoff. We already have G1 for that.

P.S. You're only saying this b/c you want a Hot Rod Alternator, OPP...

Well we knew that.

maybe

Nice one.

Hey I'd love to see it too. I'm just not sure how it would work with the line being so focused on "real cars," unless Ferrari breaks down and lets HasTak use the Enzo for Hot Rod...

Amen brother Smith.

There's still the question of what to do about those big-ass feet of his, though. IMO Bumblebee is one of those characters who you just can't screw up as an Alternator, b/c he's so iconic. He's got to be done right.

the answer is easy *puts on kitbasher hat* make him a trunk foot former and use the front end for shoulders/arms pop his head out of the firewall and colapse his cab and voila alternators bumblebee


and give him the toys head, it was cooler

Or give him the cartoon head with a face shield that makes it look like the toy head the same way they did in Dreamwave comics.

Of course, the front of the VW Beetle *was* the trunk, but I get what you're saying. I just really want to see Bumblebee done right. He's one of my favorite characters.

And you wonder why ToyFare hates him so much?

No, I just wonder what the heck you're talking about.

From an average fan's standpoint, of course they can.

From my standpoint, no, alternators better be of licesened cars.

From HasTak's standpoint, the entire line is marketed as a licesened-realistic car that transfrom into robot.......so the answer is No, alternators cannot use anything other than licesened cars.

*Null Votes*

Maybe they should start another line for the futuristic guys similar to the alts. They way can have both and Hasbro can keep the alts licensed cars.

how do you explain the "Jet" rumor if it proves to be more than a rumor?

1. it's a rumor

2. the jet will be base on a real jet.

My thinking is base on available facts. I'm no psyhic and cannot predict the future. But following current HasTak trends (where they literally plaster Alt's box with License name and car model), a non licesened car being used is low, very low.

I just had a long conversation with some friends over this idea. The general idea that came up is to have a second highly-detailed, articulated 1:24th scale line that showcased only Post-Movie characters. It would be a compliment to Alternators but it would have Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Arcee, Wreck-Gar, & Springer in there original modes but with more detail and more "realistic" transformation schemes.

Now do I think this will happen? No.
Would it be cool to have Hot Rod and others in their original modes but with better scuplting, articulation, and on the Alternators scaling? YES.


Now as I stand on it...there are very few Post Movie characters I want to see get the Alternators treatment: Hot Rod, Kup, Arcee, and maybe, maybe Blurr are the only ones.

I think that's the problem. There are precious few post-TF:TM toys that anyone would be interested in buying. Let's face it - that part of the G1 era is less well-known. And for good reason IMO. And is Hasbro gonna make a toy line that consists of 5-6 figures? I don't think so. I think they should just make an Alternators Hot Rod and Kup and be done with it.

As long as the transformations were of the same good quality and the vehicles never got too outlandish, I'd be for it. As long as the transformations aren't like RID, with their stupid attached car parts where the hands should be. Hot Rod is a good example of an unrealistic alt mode that is still clean looking. We don't need to get into lumpy TFs, that's what the Energon and Cybertron lines are for.

Yes I do agree with you on that OM. Which was kinda my point in saying that it would be pointless to do an all Post-Movie toyline, no matter how good it was.

I think they should just do Hot Rod and Kup and Arcee (hopefully) and be done with it too cause I don't know anyone who wouldn't buy those. Hell I'd even probably get Hot Rod and Arcee as BT's if they made them.

As long as we can have the same style and consistency (overall look and artistic approach, not in distribution)as the current Alt/BT`s.

I saw an Alternators-style fembot that someone had designed once -- it was this cool 70's muscle-car thing. It actually looked kickass. I think it was the same guy who made the shoe-former for Nike or whoever.

Ohhh...that's right. None of you read it. Hirarious. Just pick up ONE copy, read it thoroughly.

Basically, their argument is that Bumblebee is a worthless character, and will not change their minds regardless of all foaming fanboy letters that are sent in.

*sends foaming letter*

or did you mean that the *fanboys* are foaming? oops...

I kinda like the Dreamwave original design were Cliffjumper and Bumblebee's front end becomes a foot shin combo. On the other hand if the Imprezzas and RX-8's rear can become thier feet then why cant a Beetle's front end become feet. their front end isn't that long.

I dunno...I'd prefer it if the kept the licensed cars instead of "almost there" body styles. It would feel kinda like someone's cheating us if that were the case.

Actually prefer the RID style with almost real cars mainly b/c I think only releasing licensed cars is too restrictive.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

Keep Alts O.L.V.!

That way I hope to get my Hot Rod and Kup fix!
http://www.TFans.com/index.php?showtopic=18008&st=0

Hot Rod...GT40 (if Mirage never comes about)
Kup...Chevy SSR


done

I was going to say Licensed only but your thoughts intreagued me my friend. I REALLY want a BUMBLEBEE! And don't forget about CLIFFJUMPER as a mock GTI. If I got these I'd be happy (and I'm not forgetting the great job done of GF REDalert from the AUDI concept). If they Die-cast it, I shall be there! Screw the man!! (Seriously VW, if you are reading this I have a gun pointed at my head...so, forgive me??) YEAH!! Screw them all!!!

BTW if they do do a BUMBLEBEE I do hope they make him look like the New Beetle RAGSTER. That car is just too sweet. Maybe even the New Beetle DUNE.

VW concept cars

MUSTANG SALLY!! I love her. There was a movie that was made about her too. I can't remember where this came from but you are right. She would make a great BT/ALT.

I'm a car guy so I like the idea of them being real cars and not knock offs of real cars, I really wouldn't want this to change. Though it would be nice to see more new molds and repaints that make more sense.

After thinking it over:

Licensed Cars Only !

It's part of what makes Alt/BT a great line. I'm completely not interested in cars, but since ALT/BT is here I'm starting to get interested: on the rare occasion that I see a car which is used as an ALT/BT (mainly the Subaru and the Honda) I can even recognize it. I've even started to watch a car show on tv ( )

As for those few (post-)movie characters that would interesting to see (basically, just Hot Rod and Kup) wouldn't custom cars be an idea? Use a good sports car for Hot Rod and have it customized. (It's done in the real world as well.)

As for Bumblebee being a VW...should this happen, then that will be the first ALT I will not buy. Not just because I wasn't too fond of Bumblebee (Actually, hated his guts and gave the toy to my sister: fitting since Bumblebee was in the cartoon to draw in the little kiddies and the girls -- the only TF both my younger sisters liked was Bumblebee). Furthermore (sorry Rumblebee) the VW is a dreadful, dreadful dreadful car. It has the engine in the wrong place, apparently is awful to drive, it's too small and it was designed to make Nazi Germany mobile. I'm very hard pressed to think of car which is worse than the VW Beetle.


Found one:

Do remember Rawhide that the "Autobahn" project was actually conceived by the Weimar republic. Hitler just stole the idea. So if the Beetle was part of that project, it was just "used".

And even if it was designed by the Nazi's do keep in mind they also did a few good things though they were used for their diabolical plans. The Beetle was a good car and therefor made to mobilize the country. Good idea, bad goal as it helped to start World War 2.

The Germans were also the first to discover that smoking causes lung canger. Imagine that! Naturally they wanted healthy soldiers so it made sense for them to ban smoking as much as they could. In wartime a smoking soldier is a big problem.

So even if the ideas were meant to further neafarious goals, it cannot be denied that the Beetle or the results of the reserach into smoking helped humanity somewhat.

Afterall, the Beetle was the most produced car ever, except for the T-Ford and I think they are really cute. Besides, I do not see what is wrong with having the engine in the back.

But apparantly VW will not help Hasbro re-create one of the most popular Transformers ever.

Perhaps Mazda will sanction another retool of the RX8. I think that it is a close to Bumblebee as we can get right now.

Either way, I don't think the Germans can be blamed for being a little squeamish about letting their products be used as "war toys," all things considered. Sure it sucks for us, but I understand where they're coming from and I respect their stance.

P.S. Rawhide is right anyway - the original Beetle was a cheap POS.

That’s so true, I mean even to this day Jay Leno and other late night talk show host will make a joke about their past if the opportunity comes up. So I can understand their hesitation to get into anything even remotely close to war related.

Exactly. It's like those jokes about the French being good at surrendering, even though most of us weren't even alive during WWII.

i would love to see alt broadside. Omega Surpreme size. it would be so cool to have an Aircraft carrier that u could put the G1 Airobots on

I'd like to see a Bumblebee done as a 'real' bug, since that way the remold could be a stripped down, jacked up, stinger exhausted baja bug....Like this baby, but without the 80's reject graphics:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...bayphotohosting

Rumblebee: The Ragster? Meh. Check out that concept T. Thats the one I dig...looks like a meched out Meyers Manx or something.

The original bug wasnt so bad, its the new one that looks crappy to me. From the side, you can hardly tell which is the front and which is the back. If you've had a few beers (like 14 or 15) I'd say it'd be near impossible....