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...which would have sucked the planet into it, pulverizing it into oblivion...
In real life, black holes aren't magical portals to other dimensions. They just make things go smoosh.
BTW "Dweller in the Depths" and all of Beast Machines says you're wrong anyway.
In real life, black holes aren't magical portals to other dimensions. They just make things go smoosh.
BTW "Dweller in the Depths" and all of Beast Machines says you're wrong anyway.
If you could survive the gravatational forces of black hole you wouldn't "smoosh"...... not that Transformers can 
QUOTE (Orion Paximus Prime @ Jan 12 2005, 11:47 AM)
If you could survive the gravatational forces of black hole you wouldn't "smoosh"...... not that Transformers can 
Technically, not that anything can. You know, how light can't even escape them and stuff...
QUOTE (Optimal Madhammer @ Jan 12 2005, 11:49 AM)
QUOTE (Orion Paximus Prime @ Jan 12 2005, 11:47 AM)
If you could survive the gravatational forces of black hole you wouldn't "smoosh"...... not that Transformers can
Technically, not that anything can. You know, how light can't even escape them and stuff...
well they are REALLY black
[nigel]How much more black could it be? And the answer is "none." None more black.[/nigel]
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QUOTE (SkywarpsGhost @ Jan 12 2005, 12:17 PM)
But you miss the point.
As stated above, BECAUSE it makes so little sense it would be PERFECT.
Black Holes are something that (I've researched them a bit) we honestly can't even prove exist. They're GREAT sources of mystery.
Now just ASSUME that SOMEHOW whomever made planet Cybertron found a way to harness the awesome powers of a black hole (or Quasar if that makes you more happy instead of black holes) by encompassing it within planet Cybertron.
Remember, Cybertron can be the size of friggin' ten Jupiters if they wanted it to be... why does the blackhole have to be bigger then it. It could be a smaller black hole surrounded by a FAR larger planet.
As stated above, BECAUSE it makes so little sense it would be PERFECT.
Black Holes are something that (I've researched them a bit) we honestly can't even prove exist. They're GREAT sources of mystery.
Now just ASSUME that SOMEHOW whomever made planet Cybertron found a way to harness the awesome powers of a black hole (or Quasar if that makes you more happy instead of black holes) by encompassing it within planet Cybertron.
Remember, Cybertron can be the size of friggin' ten Jupiters if they wanted it to be... why does the blackhole have to be bigger then it. It could be a smaller black hole surrounded by a FAR larger planet.
it doens't matter how large it is, it will eventually feel the effects (by "eventually" i mean immediately and by "feel" i mean "be obliterated by") of the black hole... also i think you are on to something but in the reverse.. Cybertron could be a very small Dison's sphere
Isn't Cybertron supposed to BE Primus anyway? My knowledge of the official canon is sketchy at best, but that wouldn't much make sense if the planet actually is Primus.
QUOTE (Fujikuro @ Jan 12 2005, 12:22 PM)
Isn't Cybertron supposed to BE Primus anyway? My knowledge of the official canon is sketchy at best, but that wouldn't much make sense if the planet actually is Primus.
Maybe it's Primus' bunghole.
QUOTE (Optimal Madhammer @ Jan 12 2005, 12:25 PM)
QUOTE (Fujikuro @ Jan 12 2005, 12:22 PM)
Isn't Cybertron supposed to BE Primus anyway? My knowledge of the official canon is sketchy at best, but that wouldn't much make sense if the planet actually is Primus.
Maybe it's Primus' bunghole.
It would be a brown hole then. Entirely different celestial phenomenon.
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QUOTE (SkywarpsGhost @ Jan 12 2005, 10:39 AM)
Just like the Earth being flat ya know? It was flat for a damn long time before someone showed us it wasn't. Blackholes are the same thing on a much larger scale.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
but the Greeks and Egiptions thought it was round, by 350 B.C.
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Map-making developed significantly with the Ancient Greeks. The map drawn by Hecataeus in the 6th Century BC shows the world as an island, with Greece at its centre. However, by the time of Aristotle, around 350BC, the spherical earth concept was accepted by all. Ptolemy3 was the first to illustrate the earth as spherical in his world map, which covered the Old World from latitudes of about 60°N to 30°S. He projected the spherical earth onto flat paper for the first time.
QUOTE (SkywarpsGhost @ Jan 12 2005, 09:39 AM)
ignore all that Primus crap you've heard (pun intended)
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again, listen, the truth is... what do we know of black holes? VERY LITTLE. Now we're talking we have a race of SENTINENT INORGANIC SHAPESHIFTING ROBOTIC LIFEFORMS (if that is not far fetched enough, what is?) why I ask you, can't there knowledge of something we know so little about be greater then ours?
As Earthlings we ASSUME Blackholes do "this" and "that" based on what we THINK we've seen them do...
Just like the Earth being flat ya know? It was flat for a damn long time before someone showed us it wasn't. Blackholes are the same thing on a much larger scale.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
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again, listen, the truth is... what do we know of black holes? VERY LITTLE. Now we're talking we have a race of SENTINENT INORGANIC SHAPESHIFTING ROBOTIC LIFEFORMS (if that is not far fetched enough, what is?) why I ask you, can't there knowledge of something we know so little about be greater then ours?
As Earthlings we ASSUME Blackholes do "this" and "that" based on what we THINK we've seen them do...
Just like the Earth being flat ya know? It was flat for a damn long time before someone showed us it wasn't. Blackholes are the same thing on a much larger scale.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
Yeah I see your point...but I don't liek thsi idea SG. To me each TF has always had a sub-space dimensional storage that is unique to themselves. That is why certain things shift and mass changes and companents teleport in and out.
I just don't like your black hole inside Cybertron idea...but if you like it, run with it. But don't expect others to follow your idea, many won't just out of spite. But I think it is a neat prospect.
QUOTE (SkywarpsGhost @ Jan 12 2005, 09:39 AM)
ignore all that Primus crap you've heard (pun intended)
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again, listen, the truth is... what do we know of black holes? VERY LITTLE. Now we're talking we have a race of SENTINENT INORGANIC SHAPESHIFTING ROBOTIC LIFEFORMS (if that is not far fetched enough, what is?) why I ask you, can't there knowledge of something we know so little about be greater then ours?
As Earthlings we ASSUME Blackholes do "this" and "that" based on what we THINK we've seen them do...
Just like the Earth being flat ya know? It was flat for a damn long time before someone showed us it wasn't. Blackholes are the same thing on a much larger scale.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
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again, listen, the truth is... what do we know of black holes? VERY LITTLE. Now we're talking we have a race of SENTINENT INORGANIC SHAPESHIFTING ROBOTIC LIFEFORMS (if that is not far fetched enough, what is?) why I ask you, can't there knowledge of something we know so little about be greater then ours?
As Earthlings we ASSUME Blackholes do "this" and "that" based on what we THINK we've seen them do...
Just like the Earth being flat ya know? It was flat for a damn long time before someone showed us it wasn't. Blackholes are the same thing on a much larger scale.
It's called use a pinch of science with ALOT of imagination. Make it work.
We know plenty about black holes as theoretical events. And we actually "saw" one not too long ago, not too far away. We know that nothing is safe even relatively close to a black hole, especially a planet surrounding it.
The only thing that survives a black hole is tachyon particles because they are so fast (beyond the speed of light) that they travel backwards across our timeline (no, I'm not making this up). As they get sucked into a black hole in their time, we actually observe them being "emitted" outwards from it in ours.
If you want an answer to subspace and all that mumbo jumbo you want to looks toward a wormhole - a tear or fold in space time (basically what the spacebridge is).
...oh yeah, and the Dyson sphere rocked...we should start building an enclosure around the sun.
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QUOTE (SkywarpsGhost @ Jan 12 2005, 01:02 PM)
Hmmm... okay okay, see this is sorta what I'm talking about... a bit of progress is being made, just not towards the black hole part. Worm Holes then are what people like these days eh? Well, then would a Worm Hole work as Cybertrons Core?
And I keep going to the core thing because being a planet made of some form of metal, what would it need a molten core for like Earth has? Why not have something more odd and foreign in the base of your planet?
And I keep going to the core thing because being a planet made of some form of metal, what would it need a molten core for like Earth has? Why not have something more odd and foreign in the base of your planet?
meh, like I said before Dweller in the Depths and BM negate this argument anyway.
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And my boy brought them up.
And my boy brought them up.
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In real life, black holes aren't magical portals to other dimensions. They just make things go smoosh. optimuslaugh2.gif
BTW "Dweller in the Depths" and all of Beast Machines says you're wrong anyway.
BTW "Dweller in the Depths" and all of Beast Machines says you're wrong anyway.
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