Any theories on just "why" when Rodimus opened the Matrix inside Unicron it destroyed him?

I mean, it's cool... I love TFTM... it was interesting in that Unicron, an unstoppable planet eatting monster, seeks out the one thing in all the Universe that apparently can destroy him, and then when he gets his hands on it, eats it. Strange. But cool.

But was it "stomach indigestion"? Did the Matrix just overload his circuits? It really makes little sense and kinda leaves your thoughts open (which is cool too)... so, then, what are your thoughts of just WHY opening the Matrix destroyed Unicron? And would it have produced the same result if NOT opened inside Unicron?

I think it was probably something subtle. Some kind of signal the Matrix emits when it is opened triggered a catastrophic chain reaction to occur within Unicron's energy core. If this were the case, then opening the Matrix within Unicron's hearing distance would have produced the same reaction.

Also, the theory of a "signal" works with another instance where the Matrix was opened. In the Hate Plague episode, Optimus Prime opens the Matrix and cleanses the Autobots of the Hate Plague. Since the Hate Plague could be likened to a computer virus, one could say this signal wiped clean the Autobot's minds of any residual virus.

I always had the theory that the Matrix started out as a self-destruct device for Unicron. That's why it looks like Unicron in planet mode (sort of). I imagine it originating as a failsafe device created either by Primacron or someone else in an attempt to destroy Uni.

The Autobots may have just discovered it and turned it into a religious symbol, like a cargo cult might do here on Earth.

I always assumed it was an energy substane opposite of Unicron. I mean beams of energy, same color or near to of the Matrix fly out of Unicron when he starts to fall apart and explode.

Also I always assumed the Matrix was the left-over energies of all the past Autobots. Their essences in an form of power. And that it was a force of power far greater than Unicron and it was the only thing that could be used to overpower him and destroy him, which he always knew about.

Hey remember the episode Call of the Primitives, the voice that called the primitives to a dead planet, said He was Primacron's assistant, left Primacron cause Unicron was destroying Primacron's place, the assistant's form leaving looked liked the Matrix.

Isn't the Matrix suppose to contain the "essence" of Primus or a part of Primus's Spark? MAybe Unciron and Primus opperate on opposite ends of the astral energy plain (Positive/Negative or Good/evil). So when the Matrix is opened it unleashes some type of energy that reactes to Unicron's negative energy.

or

When Primus went to sleep in planet mode, he created the Matrix as a way to kill Unicron if he were to resurface. The Matrix gets passed down the line to those most eleigle to be called upon to destroy Unicron (leaders/Warriors)

Interesting point about positive/negative, but I think that a clue lies in the fact that Unicron EXploded. If the matrix was in polar opposition, it would probably have just cancelled him from existance.

If Primus and Unicron started out as similar lifeforms (ie. energy based creatures: 'light gods', 'chaos gods'), then they may have shared a common form of power. The matrix is the distiled essence of Primus (see Primal Scream comic). Therefore, it is a very concentrated source of the energy that Unicron and Primus used. The matrix, when opened, released that energy within Unicron's body, doubling or tripling the energy content of his physical form. He just couldn't take it and went off bang.

End sudo physics explanation.

Yes as was previously noted, Unicron exploded. But he did not die. He was still alive in his head.

1. Since Unicron was so huge, after he exploded, why wasn't there a debris field around the planet? Or why did it make Cybertron have rings?

2. Did Cybertron orbit around anything at that time?

But the polar opposition idea is the one I am thinking of. But what inside Unicron was the source of that opposition?

I am thinking of this "Dead Matrix" that Unicron gave Nemesis Prime in his Universe bio. There always was conjecture and rumors or other things mentioned about another matrix being in existance.

3. What was that episode that mentioned the Decepticon Matrix of Leadership?

And I must still say "just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist."

cause Knowledge = Power

Whoops. I am at work and got a call and I hit reply without finishing.

So anyways, if this "Dead Matrix" also existed at that time, it probably would have been inside Unicron.

Unfortunately, the polar opposites idea has 1 major flaw. If you take two polar opposites and put them next to each other, they exert force on each other at the same time. So effect 1 = Unicron blows up and effect 2 = nothing?

Nope, that won't work. We need to think of something else.

(I seemed to have debunked my theory while writing it out!)

...hmmm... so we've all been watching this movie for near two decades and no one ever really knew. Yes. That is why Transformers rocked so hard back in the day. Who needs explanations and logic!

As in my other posts, I do not like the Primus character or Dark Deity Unicron theme... but I do like the Unicron Failsafe theory... kinda cool. Maybe it landed on Cybertron or somethin' and the Transformers worshipped it as a symbol of power kinda Planet of the Apes style or something. That's cool. It explains alot... why he would seek it out... and even why he would eat it to an extent.

Sertile, I like that idea, in my opinion... WINNER! I will buy it.

In my opinion its the standard myth/fairytale magic device. Just as Hot Rod travels the standard Hero Arc.

You know the, Witch can only be killed by a prince who fashioned a spear from the wood-of-wisdom. So she constantly curses fair maidens changing them into the bodies of Squirrels who can only regain their true forms by eating the acorn that will eventually grow to be the Tree of wisdom.... etc

The same ploy was used in Variation in the LOTRs. The One Ring is Saramon's Power and his demise.

We can use the whole Primus/Unicron argument but Primus didnt really exist in the Cartoon and didnt have any reference in the movie.

Unicron's single minded, and rather arbitrary search for the Matrix does follow the myth cycle though

Hunter

Good answere, Rosey.

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I have NEVER heard this turing Prince/Squirrel/Acorn/Tree of Wisdom thing before... that is some CRAZY STUFF. I like it. And yes... good point, I have never actually noticed similarities between LOTR The One Ring and The Matrix. Cool.

*opens up Jap BW Tome* In BGWII/Neo the Matrix was a connection to Vecter Sigma, Vecter Sigma was intern a connection to the "Matrix Zone" the place all the sparks come from and end up, I.E. the Allspark, wiether or not the Allspark is Primus(IT IS!!!!) is up in the air(not realy)

About the Hate Pluage, errrrrr KNOWLAGE IS POWER!!!!

and about the Decepticon Matrix of Conquest, in an alternate Future where BW Megatron Ruled, a loly Pread called The Hunter was running from opisition on a recon mission, he stumbled opon Unicrons Essance, wich collided with the Planet(Earth) after he Blew up, That Pread built a Makshift Matric to house the Essance and became Shockoract, he was stoped, by a combination of Maximals, Preadacons, Decepticons, and Autobots from all over the Multiverse(Airhammer cameo w00t!!!!) and the Covenent of Primus, wich were Primus' test to see if he could create life. the Covenent changed into pure energy and flew into the Decepticon matrix, changed into Primus, and Unicrons' Essance got Sworded!

Deus.

Ex.

Machina.

Jeez I was reading that comic and they never had any answer as to where Shokeract was from or how he got the power from Uni. Thx X-Bob...is that tied into the Macromasters preview where a few deceps find Unicron's head and his spark?

Macromasters isn't Official, its Fan fiction,

p.s. yopu didn't read the Backstory did you

Woah, Woah wait!!

What are you guys talking about and where can I find this comic?? It sounds cool!!!!

Macromasters was Don's fancomic he made that eventually led up to his work at Dreamwave. He also had some kitbash toys from it.

Be sure to check out his designs for Grimlock, where he plagerizes himself.

I read everything off the Botcon website, but I guess I missed the Shokeract origination story. I knew he came from the power of Unicron, etc... etc..., but I never read the opart about the Dead Matrix, or where exactly he got his Uni's power from.

Thx for the info on Macomasters too X-Bob. I didn't know it was fanfic. I just though it missed release or something.

The Decepticon Matrix was just a Quintesson trick, I think. There never actually was one.

then whats this?


p.s. BWII Galvatron has a matrix called the Galvamatrix, he prolly got it b4 teh war.

Howsabout this?

The power of the matrix is the knowledge/essence of all the past Autobot leaders right? So what if opening the matrix unleashed that combined essence as a type of smart virus that only affected non-Autobots. Once Unicron was infected, the virus started using his own body against him. The same theory could work for the hate plague, one virus wiped out the other one.

The ONLY problem with all this Hate Plague stuff is that if it's an anti-viral signal or program, then how did it cure the humans?

See it couldn't be a computer viral thing. And it surely can't be both organically viral and computer viral. That would be WAY too much of a stretch.

It's got to be more of an energy substance. Therefore I say it's the combined essences of all the past Autobots in an energy form that overwhelmed and destroyed Unicron. Simple enough for me and I like that much better than some computer virus. That to me just seems lame, very lame.

I still need to see this galvatron xbob....

With his GalvaMatrix he made the Autocrusher, Autojetter, Autolauncher, Autostinger, and he turned LioConvoy into Galva LioConvoy

hey x-bob is there a pic of galv-lio convoy, or is it just the black lio convoy that?

Unicron exploded because that brings us closure. When something like the villian's "ultimate weapon" or his secret lair explodes, it's a film cliche meaning that the story is come to an end.

It was a poorly written plot devise. "Hate plague"? What is this, an episode of My Little Pony where people start being mean to each other, and only goodness and the laughter of children can stop it?

the Hate Plauge was AWESOME...
I'm telling you, the writers of 28 Days Later knew the potential of a virus that causes bloodlust and rage. It's a worthy darkest hour, just not as apocolyptic on a "blowing sh@t up scale" as Unicron.

Except the way it was animated, it made you think that the only effect of the hate plague was to cause people to look angry and mill around in groups, going "rarara!! rarara!!" And I know it's been covered, but: a spore that has the same effect on organic life and machines? (Not to mention the red glowing thing.)

Okay, back to Unicron. The problem I had with TF:TM is that BOTH the super evil bad guy AND the deus ex machina that can destroy him are introduced in this movie. "Beyond good... beyond evil..." how about "beyond obvious"? The whole thing was played with absolutely no subtlety whatsoever. It was clear from the moment Prime popped his chest open that this blue glowing thing was going to be a significant (and continuity problem-causing) plot device.

And the fact that we're all SPECULATING as to why the Matrix destroyed Unicron 20 years after the movie came out only indicates how sloppy the writing in the movie was. It never *was* clearly explained. At all. You just had to accept the fact that the Matrix (the nature / purpose of which was not very clearly defined in TF:TM, but rather was left to FFoD to explain) could destroy Unicron.

And then of course there's the question of Unicron himself, and how he's related to this Matrix, and how he can see things billions of miles away, and why in the world he even transforms at all.... The writers expected the audience to accept a LOT on faith, without explaining much of anything at all. (My favorite non-explained thing: how did Rodimus Prime and friends not become fiery meteorites that crashed into Cybertron after they "jumped" out of Unicron?)

But I digress...

But isn't all that what made G1 so cool?
The inconsistant animation?
The plot holes?
The "leaving it to your imagination"?
The LOTR type deal where you just KNOW they have to make it to Mt. Doom but you watch anyway in anticipation 'cause although you know the good guys will win, it just seems so hopeless?

Things today are way too just "handed on a silver screen/plater" to you... if the plot holes are too big now a days we hate it (ex: The Matrix... one was great, left alot open... alot is left to your imagination... the others, well... they are what they are.)

Cue up VH1 music man, "I love the 80's"

Wow. Comparisons between G1 and LotR.

There's a difference between "not knowing all the details" and "this story makes no sense." Plot holes aren't a sign of good writing. They're a sign of crappy writing. Going back to LotR, there's a TON of stuff that Tolkien didn't explain in the book, but it's not the kind of thing that really matters to the main story. It's tangential stuff that would be cool to learn about, but which doesn't ultimately affect the plot. This is quite different from not even being able to piece together a coherent story in the first place because there are so many contradictions in it.

There are precious few G1 episodes that sought to actually give the audience some background information on the Transformers. You would have thought that they could have at least gotten those right. But nope. *cough*Constructicons*cough*

(BTW of course the Tolkien geeks know that he *did* explain most of the background & details in LotR in what has become known as The Silmarillion. Except for who/what the heck Tom Bombadil was. )

Feathered hat.... $95.00
Goloshes...........$25.00
Crazy beard......$0.00
Being the most powerful being in the LotR universe.... Priceless

Back on Topic...

Without going all "retcon" The matrix destroyed Unicron because it was the one thing, the only thing that could stand in his way

Or maybe it just effected the chaos bringers' circuitry/programming in a negative way, thus why he tore himself apart as apposed to something external from teh matrix itself doing damage.

I know, I'm just kidding. If I thought you were serious I'd have Glamdring'd you.

But seriously, I think there are some things that you have to explain in a story, and some things you don't. Using LotR again, you don't need to know about Morgoth or Numenor or the Valar in order to enjoy the story, but they provide some very cool background information if you're into that sort of thing.

With TF:TM, you don't need to have Unicron's origins fully explained (gotta leave something for Season 3 -- too bad they pooched it with "Primacron" ). However, it would have been nice to at least explain what the hell this "matrix" thing is and what quality it possesses that makes it able to destroy something as powerful as Unicron. We tend to forget that it wasn't until FFoD that the matrix was even explained at all. All we had to go on was that this was passed down from one Autobot leader to the next (who knew?), and that it had some kind of power. Also, Megatron seems to know about the matrix as well (but is seemingly unconcerned by it). And of course there's the question, if the matrix had all this power, why couldn't the Autobots just use it to defeat the Decepticons?

BTW nice one there OPP.

Here is a pic of the toy.

http://tripredacus.net/images/toys/1998/c1...nvoy_purple.jpg

Or do you mean from the show?

I was just referring to the G1 Decepticon Matrix. I don't know much about the Japanese BW and I never even wondered what that marble was in Galvatron's chest. I just always thought it looked cool. Nice to know, though. I have that figure, btw, and he's awesome.

You're right -- there never was a Decepticon matrix in the American continuity. Which makes sense if you think about it -- such an item would assume a peaceful transfer of power from one 'Con leader to the next, which I'm guessing didn't happen.

well Megatron was the first wans't he? So there would never have been any transfers... ya know, until he got reformatted

I brought LoTR not to disrespect anything -
jsut to point out how the myth cycle was being used by TF:TM
however poorly


Hunter
"I know i promised never to do it again - but forgive me pretty baby - you know I'll always take the long way home"

Well, here come the problems again. The "Rodimus in the matrix" montage in FFoD seemed to indicate that there were Decepticon leaders prior to Megatron (and that he was created by the Constructicons... *shakes head*). Which is quite a different picture from the one painted in "War Dawn", where Megatron basically started it all himself. Which is quite a different picture from the one painted in "Fire in the Sky", where the Autoots and Decepticons had started from a sort of Maximal / Predacon relationship and then "fallen out" with each other. And so on.

What would make sense to me is if both factions originally fought the Quintessons together, but once they were gone the 'Cons' programming made it hard for them to stop fighting. So they started in on the Autobots.

So how does Megatron being created by the Constructicons = Megatron could not have created the Constructicons on Earth? Back then, it wasn't said where the sparks came from. Megatron can't create sparks and neither can the dreaded "Dead Matrix." Only the Autobot Matrix can create life. So who knows that the Constructicons weren't just re-used personalities ala the Combaticons?

You have to be careful about what you mean -- Vector Sigma is the source of TF life in G1, not the Autobot matrix of leadership. The "matrix" in BW/BM refers to something else, since the Autobot matrix was emptied at the end of the series.

Either way: come on. Don't you know a continuity error when you see one?

R3+C0n Fo L!f3 !!!111!!!!ariserodimusprime!!!11!!!!

Smack no you douch Didn't I explain this in teh other thread!!! ;fire :fore
The Matrix is a connection to Victer Sigma, the place were TF Life comes from, It can be used to created life through that Conection(Dinobots, but teh were stupid b/c and Italian/america/robot/Mad Scintist/regulor scientist/car/Achohal billbaord PRogramed him, and not a big glowy computer) And Victer Sigma, is a connection to the Allspark, were sparks come from and end up. and the Matrix is refilled when Alpha Trion's Ghost kills himeslf to save in in like the sec ep of Headmastahs !!!So tharefor G1 Matrix≈BW Matrix.

about teh Cunstructicons, this is realy exasting my Fanboynesium, but this is how I see it
1.Cunstructicons wan't to be evil, but not piss off there buddy Omega, and Ditch that losser Haulor in the Prosuss
2.They Build Megatron
3. Megatron "turns" them evil, and Omega gwets Pissed off anyways so they run to earth
4.Megatron REbuilds them,

Step 1: steal underwear

Step 3: profit!

A bit late, perhaps, but:

Wow. Just.. WOW.

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