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I voted Constructicons not because there are 6 of them but because of the fact that they were probably the strongest of the bunch both as a combiner and individually.

I'd say the Combaticons. They have artillary and weaponry in BOTH robot and vehicle modes. Onslaught is a missile tanker, Brawl is a tank, Vortex is a military helicopter, Swindle has his missiles, and Blast Off, I'm not so sure about, but he's got to have something along these lines, otherwise he wouldn't be a Combaticon.

Combaticons Forever

I voted Predicons. Those guys are tough.

i say the aeriobots, they can all fly which gives them the upper advantage of speed and manuverability. they can just swoop in drop a couple of bombs and be on their way

Id say the predacons, even when they are not predaking they still give the autobots a run for their money, most of the decepticons are afraid of them as well...

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TECHNOBOTS ALL TEH WAY BAYBEE!!!!!

Combaticons

They have the weaponry, in whichever mode they're in. And they have versitility. Each of them tranforms into a different vehicle for different purposes.

The sheer size of the robot modes of the predacons would overcome the tiny individual 4 of the other gestalts even all 6 of the constructicons. Then they would gang up on the leaders Hotspot, Onslaught,Motormaster, etc. etc.

combaticons - all composed of war machines... however i wouldn't know what to do with a space shuttle in war (possibly for recon... )they are the most versitle and heavily armed than other combiners... preds... bigger so i'd say slower... i think the preds would rely too much on their combined form to win a fight. not enough strategy like the war bred combaticons... and body see the animated short where computron is...well computing? lol but it would be an interesting fight if the arealbots stayed in their jet modes and dished it out in that fashon... hmnn... they would be the fastest

Normally a space shuttle would not be considered very threatening, but since it's a decepticon, I'm sure it has something to attack with. And since it can orbit a planet, it can probably attack from orbit as well.

Oh, yeah- Blast Off, the shuttle, had two large cannons that came with him, so yeah, he's a heavy hitter.

Another Aerialbots vote here. I'd say in toughness the Combaticons mostly match the Contructicons, and outmatch them in weapons, but the Aereialbots could basically hit them from orbit, or at the very least sweep in hypersonic and unload their full payloads and be gone before the others knew what happened.

Dinobots should be on the list too. Sure, they can't combine, but they've beaten the Predacons (one of the toughest special teams) in a one on one fight before.

Well, if they could combine, it'd probably go something like this:

http://www.lexicon.tf/view_library.php?lib...2badef817633828

However, not being able to combine, I'd choose the Dinobots if they were on the list, but since they aren't, probably a toss-up between the Aerialbots, Predacons, or just Scattershot on his own...

or like my avatar
or this:

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that came with the uk version of the series 2 part 2 dvds, it was concluded in the season 3.

i would have to say the combaticons because they all function as one unit (with the exception of swindle) and all know millitary stratigy well. the predacon may also win because of their ruthlessness. besides the protectobots would be let down to 4 because firstaid is a pacifist.

Combaticons would win in the end

ya left out the Seacons. There were 6 of them as well...but my vote went for the combaticons. You knw Onslaught would just out think the others as far as stragegy.

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Those aren't official sub-groups. They're still Autobots and Decepticons. Dinobots and Insecticons however, are.

Actually the Predacons are extremely fast fighters particularly Rampage and Divebomb.

I say the PREDACONS...Period!!!

They have the strength, speed, can track/hunt, work extremely well as a group, and can move stealthy through terrain - particularly Razorclaw and Divebomb.
Plus Rampage, Tantrum, and Headstrong are combat-ready warriors, and Tantrum is just a powerhouse.

And they are both well-versed in hand-to-hand, close-range, and long-range attacking.
Also they have the most fuel-efficiency of any group and have a lot of extra fuel when needed.

Without a Doubt the Predacons:
Technobots - Easy Pickin's...Scattershot is the only big danger here, the rest aren't anything.
Protectobots - Not even a challenge.
Aerialbots - Well placed shots and they hit the ground, then they are nothing.
Constructicons - Smart and Tough, but they couldn't do a whole lot, even if they had a fortress built.
Combaticons - The Real threat...they are tough, battle-ready, and diverse. However Brawl and Swindle are too unrealiable as team-players and could be a liablity. Onslaught is the only real threat there.
Stunticons - Tough, and they have land speed. Another threat but they all hate Motormaster and don't work well with eahc other at all.
Terrorcons - Hun-Grrr, Cutthroat, and RIppersnapper are tough and could be a hard fight, but overall this group doesn't work well together and they are not very diverse, nor are they sneaky or defensive.

You don't feel they were worthy of being listed...

OR because they weren't in the show at all?

probably cuz they're not in the show. Deathmarch makes a great point - being able to work together as a team with a single goal is any team's greatest asset, outside of actual combination.

Predacons are a total gimme. I don't think it's very fair to include them, though, since they're all so much bigger.

I'm surprised the Stunticons aren't getting any votes. In almost any one-on-one battle with Autobots (especially in altmode), they won. It seemed to take group efforts to bring them down, so in non-gestalt battle I'd think they'd have the edge.

Predacons, hands down. their opponents will just get pwn3d before they realize a thing.

give em a brawl here is how I see it...

Stunticons would be the first to go down becuase they would just rush everyone. BUT they would be taking down the hot shots like Groove, Lightspeed, probably Sling Shot before he got off the ground and finally motor master would be pulled down by the 4 preds...
Mean while the constructicons would dig them selves into a bunker and take pot shots at everyone. This would motivate the Technobots to forming a strategey to get at them, chances are spearheaded by nosecone to break in. Durring this whole time the remaining protectobots are also digging themselves in and are taking out Tantrum or Headstron because they see them as the highest threat. This whole time the Combaticons have been going on the outside making surgical strikes on the stragglers. I see their first target being Blades from the protectobots because he is basically a sitting duck. Using Vortex to draw him out to play and then having blast off take him out. This whole time the Terrorcons go all out on the rampage taking out the slow ground based bots. Divebomb unfortunatly may be fast but the Arialbots will over power him and the other flying terrorcon. Again the combaticons will keep their air units on the ground because of the arial disadvantage. eventually I see it then down to 2 preds (razorclaw and rampage, 2 protectobots (hotspot and read alert, Scattershot no stunticons, no terrorcons, 4 construticons (hook, scrapper, scavenger, and mixmaster) 3 arial bots (sliverbolt and 2 others) and all 5 Combaticons. After that though...it would be hard to tell

So, after alllll that, with 5 Combaticons left, it becomes hard to tell?

yup, because then aliances would form...and I bet they would be the first target after that. Remember, autobots still have the air advantage, the combaticons have a fully unit, but I bet the other 'cons would turn on them as well...so they have a 2 front battle..

If this poll were solely based on the Gestalt modes, I'd have voted the Stunticons hands down. As as a whole they're easily the most unpredictable, and since they're constantly being torn in five alternate personalities I can see him being by far the most dangerous. In sub groups I voted the Predicons. Anything animal based is far more destructive then most of the vehicle modes exhibited by the Stunticons, Arialbots, Constructicons, and Protectabots. True the Combaticons have weapons defence but thy're out one with Swindle hiding off somewhere, and Tantrum depending on how good Onslaughts aim is would charge him once and that'd be the end of him. Brute force over Military Strategy, and tactics would win this one I'm afraid, as would the Decepticons. Autobot Search and Rescue teams and such really have no business in an out brawl.

I would have to say the Predacons just for pure strength. Plus Razorclaw has been characterized as a pretty good strategist in his own right. The only other team that I think could take them down would be the dinobots.

Stunticons. They're all crazy as hell. Plus you forget all the special powers they have in vehicle mode. Each of the cars (Wildrider, Breakdown, Dead End, Dragstrip) have a dual barrel cannon that can be deployed in vehicle mode. They also have anti-gravitational abilities that allow them to drive up walls and such. Plus they each have their own personal protective force field. And the only other Transformer that could survive a head on collision with Motormaster is Optimus Prime.

The Stunticons would wreck the sh*t out of everyone else.







Oh by the way, it is spelled Predacons, not Predicons.

That comic is cool, but Menasor would never beg for mercy and act like a puss. That just wouldn't happen.

looks cool, but is it out of order? Grimlock's combined, then not, Devy isn't, then is, then isn't.




Predacons

That's not the full comic. It reads weird. It skips to the right, then it goes down, or something like that. I saw it on another board.

It's a toss up between the Combaticons and Constructicons, but I would say the Combaticons has more firepower.

I would say one of the weakness would be Aerialbots, they got their ass kicked in by Menasor in the G1 series. If Omega Supreme was there Superion would have been junk.

The Seacons are Fodder Machienes sure theres alot of them but the Pretenders could take em out in Suit Mode, I think the LioKaiser would be the Strongist uncombined, they all had Special moves, Wepons, and they had there Attack Breast-Plaites hell they couldn't combine till ep. 19 and they still Kicked ass. I bet the Predacons could give them a run for there money, with those cool Beast Modes and the swords.

Preds all the way!

Lio Kaiser!!!!

still say the combaticons...

I vote for the Aerialbots. The only other air threats are Strafe, Blades, Blast Off and Vortex, with 2 of those being helos and one a space shuttle which shouldn't have a lot of maneuverability. While the ground war rages, the Aerilbots will be mopping up the skies and then just pound the crap out of the stuff on the ground. The Preds, Stunticons, Constructicons and combaticons will likely wipe out the Autobot ground forces early and then turn on each other, which is where the Aerialbots come swooping down and blow them all away.

Besides, after a few minutes of severe pounding from the sky, the Con survivors will run away like they always do and the Aerialbots will be the victors doing victory rolls in the sky

Chris

then The Breastforce, Brainmasters, and Dinoforce, kill em

I'm partial to the Combaticons for some reason. But realistically, the Predacons would trash all of them. They're faster and more maneuverable in beast modes than any other group. I'd like to see Onslaught turn on a dime like a Pred can. Keep in mind when I say fast, I mean able to jump out of harms way. Aircraft are faster but can only make passing runs when attacking.

I voted for the Combaticons, they are led by a tactical leader and are balanced to deal with most situations, be it land or air. All the others are specialists or lack the firepower.
I wanted to vote for the Constructicons since i think they would win being all pretty hard and individually intelligent as well but in their transformed modes are limited in combat ( Diggers and Trucks can be devasting smashing into things but they are not tanks )
The Predacons are specialised hunters and fearsome, and would also hammer the combaticons in a fight but i don't think they are technicaly as flexible.
Shame on you for not including the Seacons, Snaptrap "The Butcher of the Bogs" was cool ( and the first combiner leader i had ) but i don't recall any of them being in the cartoon ( things get blurred after season two ).

Yes! An excellent point. The Dinobots would make mud pie out of
all of them. But, sticking to the subject, I say the Combaticons
because of all their fire power. The Preds are tough though, and
I think if this were a Getsalt match Predaking and Superion would
be the last ones in the ring.

In the Land of the Rising sun the Seacons were in Masterforce. Turtalor(snaptrap) was the only sentient one, and the rest were drones/fodder like the Vehicons and E-Terrercons, that Turtalor Controuled. Turtulor mainly stayed in Turtle form, and could combine with any of the drones(who also stayed in beast mode) to make King Posidon(Prhianacon) who was the most Powerful charectoer in the Series untill Ginrai, got his tralor and became Super Ginrai.

Flash forword to BWII and a Group of Space Pirates(repaints of the seacons sans wepons and the lobster) they were Mersanaies under BWII Galvatron, and the Squid was recast as a Female Charector that had a Crush on Scuba(Clawjaw)

X-Bob why do keep taking over the thread and turn it into a Japanese thread. The Japanese characters have nothing to do with this thread...*sigh*.

I mean jeez, ya want to throw in the trainbots? lol

I need some closure with this topic...
Having finally made it to page 2 of the forum, I think it's safe to say this Royal Rumble has it's winner... the Predacons.

Finally Tally:
Predacons - 23
Combaticons - 18
Technobots - 6
Constructicons - 6
Aerialbots - 5
Stunticons - 2
Terrorcons - 1
Protectobots - 1

In a winner takes everyone elses life battle to the death, at least one Predacon, if not more would walk away standing. Good job Swindle... the Combaticons probably could've had it... but you did them in. Thanks.

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