I know want you think. What the Hell?!? Grimlock is cool and all but, to replace Optimus as leader of the Autobots?!

Come on! Think about it! Optimus Prime in resent years has become a baby sitter to the dumb-ass kids that follow them But, Grimlock has been M.I.A. in the Cartoon show and the only guy in resent memory that has the same bad-ass, kick-butt attitude was Dinobot from Beast Wars. Beside which, Grimlock can't do any worse then "The Worse Autobot Leader of All Time", Rodimus Prime (Hot Rod).



Note: The reason why I think Rodimus Prime (Hot Rod) is "The Worse Autobot Leader of All Time" is because, he brought Wheelie back for the Quintesson's home world. I think Grimlock would have thrown Wheelie to a Sharkticon after leading him and the other Dinodots to Rodimus Prime and Kup location.

It's time for a change. A Dinobot should rule the Autobots. Grimlock as leader, and Prime as second in comand.

Depends on which version of Grimlock yee be speaking about.

If it is the G1 television show, no, nah, not even. Just look what happens to him after Prime dies in the movie.

Marvel or DW, close, because really due like these versions of big grim, but the bottom line is he isn't Prime, who really is a hero. Grimlock is a badass but shouldn't replace him.

If there are anyother Versions of Grimlock that I missed, I either don't know about them or I am unqualified to comment. I know jack about the Japanese story lines.

Replace? Maybe fill in, if Prime is dead.

Yes, I really would like to see that.

In the original Marvel run Grimlock first tenure as leader was a failure. In part because BB changed the way Grimlock was written: first wanting war, then becoming leader and doing nothing but wearing his crown in the Ark. In the UK, Furman had Grimlock still fighting.

Grimlock's second run at leadership was pretty good. While Prowl fell completely for the Decepticons ruze "let's indeed end the war and work together", Grimlock wasn't fooled for a second, he put Prowl in his place. Of course, in the end Grimlock made some dumb calls, but you have to wonder to what extend this was caused because of the need to end the story in the few issues they had left.

DW Grimlock (especially Furman's WW) would make an excellent leader. It could also make the character grow. On Cybertron he doesn't have to worry about innocent bystanders: there really aren't any (well, the empty's but they stay out of the way). When coming to Earth he suddenly has to worry about those pesky humans. Could make a great character development (like BW Dinobot).

It would also mean a nice refreshing of the line.

Hey I resemble that remark! By the way Grimlock became friends w/ the little guy after all he figured that if he was brave enough to shoot Grimlock in the nose to get his attention/ piss him off he must have some bravery.

Prime would be great as second in command. But Rodimus, there has to be a change.

grimlock is too much of a straight soldier to be leader, plus he has been a decepticon on at least 2 occassions, which would make me question every order he gave me

And you do know how Grimlock would respond to someone who would question his orders.

If not, then re-read War Within I.

Considering what "Prime" itself means, I don't think that Grimlock should replace Optimus Prime unless two of the following things happen, he can organize things in a slightly less destructive manner and is willing to do many of the things that Optimus is, with the exception of babysitting, and he's willing to call himself something like Grimlockimus Prime. The word "Prime" is there because it means first. So since Optimus and Rodimus were the leaders, and FIRST-in-command, it made sense to have something in their names that said that, hence the add of the word "Prime" to their names. So unless Grimlock is willing to change his name and have "Prime" added to it, then no, he shouldn't replace Optimus.

i really dont think being leader requires a name change, that is something that comes from the matrix altering you, so he wouldnt have to change his name unless the matrix chose him to be the next leader, and i really doubt the matrix would accept him

I hadn't thought about the Matrix's role in the whole naming process. So you're correct UM. If the Matrix did accept him, which it probably wouldn't, his name would be changed and include the word "Prime" with it.

Yes, if only to have SOMEONE FRICKIN' ELSE AS THE LEADER.

Oddly, the continual run of Mega/Galvatrons never bothered me, maybe because they actually get to show one iota of leeway on the altmode and robot mode.

Actual I think the Matrix would accept him But, if you nosiest that in Transfromers: The Movie Grimlock wasn't in the room when Optimus Prime died so, I'm thinkthat the Matrix want Grimlock but, since Grimlock wasn't in the room the Matrix pick the most reckless Autobot in the room, Hotrod.

Any way I was thinking of the War Within : Grimlock as the Autobot Leader and not the G1 verson of him.

No.

Does the word "MOOT" mean anything to anyone?

Grimlock = Dumbass

LM = agree

I didn't read the Marvel comics where he was supposed to be all wonderful and smart and everything, but from my point of view he was just big and stupid and as likely to harm his own side as the other. Maybe in some parts of the world having no brain makes you a badass, but not where I come from.

But to reiterate my first post: what is this "should"? Aren't we talking about a story line that is dead and gone?

He should stick with the dinobots. whenever he leads the autobots bad things happe. Check the Marvel comics; both G1 and G2. The autobots got pwned everytime

I'd rather Prime stay in command. It's got proven success. There's no telling what will happen if they go changing things.

What kinda of storyline or continuity we talking bout here? Comic, Cartoon, G1, Galaxy Force? What?

Maybe the comics. In the show Grimlock was to stupid to lead.

Grimlock should never lead. It's been proven time and time again that if Grimmy leads, the Bots get screwed. Flat out. Read the Marvel comics run. Read G2. People die wholesale when Grimmy's in charge and its because he's too stupid and/or stubborn to be an -effective- leader.

Ultra Magnus or Prowl (both closer in rank to Prime than Grimmy) should get the position before any of the footsoldiers and cannon fodder.

That's your opion.
As for me, Grimlock or a Dinobot should be leader. Put Prime in as 2nd commander.

this was done in the Marvel US continuity when Prime "died" the first time, and it didn't turn out well. Grimlock When Prime "died" again during the Unicron Saga, Grimlock led the Autobots. He did a good job then, especially when he predicted the Decepticon's treachery (they were at peace). After Prime came back, Grimlock served as second in command. He did well in that role during the G2 series. I don't think he should lead, but I do think he should be second in command. As we saw in War Within vol 3, Grimlock and Magnus worked well together as well.

I say maybe.. replace prime period? Never.. Grimlock may be a bad ass, but leading material he is not. He lacks compassion for the weak, look at his techspecs.. A leader needs to be more than a powerhouse of kick ass.. but in a pinch, if I was Prime and I needed someone to take a team of troops out into the feild, Grimlock would be the guy to send out. He'd be a high ranking General.. but thats about it.

He'd only be leader if atleast Magnus and Roddy were taken out..

Just give him a chance.

HA! Yes, make him leader!

Seriously. The only thing that would be better for the Decepticons than Grimlock leading the Autobots, is if the Autobots lined up in front of Megatron to seppuku en masse.

you obviously haven't read any TF comics

In the comics, Grimlock and the other Dinobots were smart. Grimlock was Prime's second in command.

Sludge was still dumb. Slag and Snarl possessed average intelligence. Swoop was pretty bright. Grimlock was a military genius. The others spoke like a normal Autobot as well. Grimlock's speech impediment was due to a viral glitch in his speech processors. But it worked to his advantage since his foes always underestimated him.

Well I was close.
I agree, Grimlock's speech impediment really did fool the Cons.

one of my favorite Grimlock lines was in War Within vol 2: "Why everybody underestimate me?"

I agree Big Grim, that was a good line.

You're right.

I bought issues 3, 4, and 5 back when they came out (I think maybe 6 too, can't remember), and I didn't like them, so I didn't buy anymore. Haven't looked at them since...only comic-type TF stuff I've read is the manga, currently plodding through Headmasters...

That says it all. In the tv series, Grimlock was as sharp as a bowling
ball. As a fighter, he was one of the best.

Have you ever read the comics? Grimlock was as smart as Prime.

No, I haven't read the comic. I've heard Grimlock was different in the comic
in another thread, and that's why I only referred to the tv series in my
previous post. However, I do have plans to read the comics.

When you do, Grimlock well be totaly different from the show.

I also meant the Marvel comics. As both Taz-bot and I have said before, Grimlock was both brilliant and powerful. He just talked funny 1

Replace Optimus with Grimlock? Ah I voted NO! Lets see......lets replace a leader with knowledge, courage, integrity, strength, wisdom like Prime with a dull minded, dim witted, stick a knife in your back Grimlock. Ya right dont make me laugh.

man, for a TF message board you guys sure don't know a lot about TF comic continuity

Muawhahahaha...So Funny BG...
Well I like Grimlock in both Comic and Cartoon...but I like them each for different reasons.

I think he makes a GREAT Field Commander and a helluva good Military-Man in the comics. If he could get past his own arrogance and his close-minded ways I think he could be a great leader.

Now in cartoon continuity...nah, just don't even try it.

I agree, he lacks the compassion for all forms of life that Prime possesses. That's why I think he's best in a commanding role alongside Magnus, but subordinate to Prime. I find it funny how everybody thinks he's dumb. It is his tactical advantage after all.

I find it funny as well BG...very weird, but it seems like a lot of people never bothered with the comics.

I know, especially when the comic continuity wasn't made up as they went along. Which is also odd, since most the people involved in the cartoon (i.e. Bob Budianski) were also involved in the comic. Prime had the matrix with him throughout the comic, whereas in the cartoon we didn't see it until TF:TM. Heck, even Beast Wars was really an amalgam of both the comic and cartoon continuity. People really should check out the Titan collections, especially the Marvel UK ones.

Yup they definitely should...I got most of them myself...and some of the UK comic Trades as well...man they rock!!

I have all the UK trades. The only US trades I have are the ones written by Furman. I really didn't care that much for Budiansky's writing. I think UK had better stories and artwork. And most the continuity revolved around Galvatron's attempt to conquer the past.

I agree with the better story-writing in the UK comics...much better, but there are a few Bob-Bud stories in early comics I really like.

Now back on Topic...I don't see how Cartoon Grimlock could even begin to be considered to lead the 'Bots.

Here's something I want to know. If Grimlock was the leader during G1 and be like his comic version. Would you want him be in charge over Prime.