"Nature Calls"

[Darth Caine]

Yep, the Autobot insignia on Dinobots got nothing to do with Megatron and/or Sumdac.

[Blitz]

The core problem in this case is Prof. Sumdac himself, not about the world opinion on Decepticons.

 

I doubt he even knows about the Decepticon insignia on Megatron's body.

ummmm...

 

1. Screamer had 2 huge ones on his wings that could clearly be seen so he has seen it up close

 

2. he clearly had the TV report on the screen in his office so he knows who they are and that they are evil

 

3. the logo on the megatron scrap had a logo as big as his whole head he would be blind not to have noticed it

 

he's way too convinced by Megatron's helpfulness and false kindness, also probably about his debts to Megatron for reverse-engineering study from his severed head to create earth automatons. And also, due to his lack of interaction with the Autobots, especially during battle against the Decepticons, could also contribute to his lacks of caution and knowledge about the still-existing Decepticons' threats. (and their insignia).

 

Well, those are my 2 cents.

thing is thats all just speculation I have proof of this being a plot hole your just giving me retcon and speculation about the comming episodes

 

 

 

dude watch the end of episode 1 (the special) we hear the TV reporter saying the autobots have saved the city maybe the world from the decepticon menace... the whole planet knows about them

 

true but caine's point holds merit as well..the dinobot's HAD the autobot insignia on them....and they were pretty hostile themselves.

 

but sumdak made the dinobots (with some help maybe more then what he thinks) so the autobot logos were put their by sumdak so they can not reflect the 2 factions at all. the logos I guess were added as a tribute and to add the Bot to dinobot

 

didn't the autobot insignia appear after the blast of allspark energy?

but they were still made by sundac he also thinks thier dead and were nothing more then drones

 

as for the autobot logos thats just another plot hole that people are just using retcon and speculation to fill... give me proof.

[Father Time]

Yes, Sumdac would have seen the insignia. However, he was never expressively told that what insignia a cybertronian carries is used to distinguish Autobot from Decepticon. One Decepticon with some tribal markings would not really warrant any prejudice to others who may happen to carry the same tribal markings, especially when that other one is your friend.

 

Or, as a real life example:

 

"All people with black hair are evil!"

- "Dude, I have black hair."

"That means you're evil!"

- "What? Come on, have I ever done anything evil to you?"

"Not that I know, but you're still evil!"

- "I've lend you my car a hundred times."

"Still evil!"

- "I've lend you tons of cash, without any interest."

"Still evil!"

- "I'm married to your sister. You're the godfather of our children!"

"Still, you must be evil. You have black hair!"

[Blitz]

Yes, Sumdac would have seen the insignia. However, he was never expressively told that what insignia a cybertronian carries is used to distinguish Autobot from Decepticon. One Decepticon with some tribal markings would not really warrant any prejudice to others who may happen to carry the same tribal markings, especially when that other one is your friend.

 

Or, as a real life example:

 

"All people with black hair are evil!"

- "Dude, I have black hair."

"That means you're evil!"

- "What? Come on, have I ever done anything evil to you?"

"Not that I know, but you're still evil!"

- "I've lend you my car a hundred times."

"Still evil!"

- "I've lend you tons of cash, without any interest."

"Still evil!"

- "I'm married to your sister. You're the godfather of our children!"

"Still, you must be evil. You have black hair!"

 

again thats only speculation and retcon

 

to put it another more logical way...

 

a guy has the nazi logo on his army uniform while carrying around a gun around the time of WW2 he is also rather shady looking and is asking you to not tell any one he is hiding in the city under the guard of the good guys...

 

"All nazi's are evil! and you have a Nazi logo on your army uniform"

- "ok Dude, I'm a nazi."

"That means you're evil!"

- "What? Come on, have I ever done anything evil to you?"

"Not that I know, but you're still evil!"

- "I've lend you my car a hundred times."

"Still evil!"

- "I've lend you tons of cash, without any interest."

"Still evil!"

- "I'm married to your sister. You're the godfather of our children!"

"Still, you must be evil. Your a nazi! or at least you have some connection and as such give me resion to question you or at least report you"

 

but thats not whats going on in animated he is only hiding megatron since Sundac thinks he is one of the good guys and that he is ashamed of what he has done to their freind. but now he has proof he is infact connect to the decepticons so he knows megatron is fooling him in some way

 

now i could go on but its nothing more then a plot hole and should not be retcon'd into a 1000 page rant

[Vortex prime]

Yes, Sumdac would have seen the insignia. However, he was never expressively told that what insignia a cybertronian carries is used to distinguish Autobot from Decepticon. One Decepticon with some tribal markings would not really warrant any prejudice to others who may happen to carry the same tribal markings, especially when that other one is your friend.

 

Or, as a real life example:

 

"All people with black hair are evil!"

- "Dude, I have black hair."

"That means you're evil!"

- "What? Come on, have I ever done anything evil to you?"

"Not that I know, but you're still evil!"

- "I've lend you my car a hundred times."

"Still evil!"

- "I've lend you tons of cash, without any interest."

"Still evil!"

- "I'm married to your sister. You're the godfather of our children!"

"Still, you must be evil. You have black hair!"

 

again thats only speculation and retcon

 

to put it another more logical way...

 

a guy has the nazi logo on his army uniform while carrying around a gun around the time of WW2 he is also rather shady looking and is asking you to not tell any one he is hiding in the city under the guard of the good guys...

 

"All nazi's are evil! and you have a Nazi logo on your army uniform"

- "ok Dude, I'm a nazi."

"That means you're evil!"

- "What? Come on, have I ever done anything evil to you?"

"Not that I know, but you're still evil!"

- "I've lend you my car a hundred times."

"Still evil!"

- "I've lend you tons of cash, without any interest."

"Still evil!"

- "I'm married to your sister. You're the godfather of our children!"

"Still, you must be evil. Your a nazi! or at least you have some connection and as such give me resion to question you or at least report you"

 

but thats not whats going on in animated he is only hiding megatron since Sundac thinks he is one of the good guys and that he is ashamed of what he has done to their freind. but now he has proof he is infact connect to the decepticons so he knows megatron is fooling him in some way

 

now i could go on but its nothing more then a plot hole and should not be retcon'd into a 1000 page rant

 

yeah case closed.

[Darth Caine]

/me goes back to "STFU and wait till next week's episode airs" mode.

[Galzamus]

I don't give sumdak much credit for being observant.. I mean, this IS dippy lil sumdak we're talkin about here. The only time he actually seemed to be a decent character was in the head master episode.. I mean, in all honesty, he's taking blind orders from a schemeing inanimate head to begin with. You think he'd catch on sooner or later that his basement buddy happens to be a tad bit evil.. but again, this is sumdak we're talkin about here.

[Stormtrooper53]

/me goes back to "STFU and wait till next week's episode airs" mode.

Sounds like a good idea.

 

After all, the first scene of the next episode may be Sumdac looking at the Decepticon logo on Megatron's body, flashing back to the Starscream attack and thinking "Now wait just a damn minute!"

[Blitz]

^i'd so lol if that were the case

[Father Time]

again thats only speculation and retcon

 

to put it another more logical way...

 

a guy has the nazi logo on his army uniform while carrying around a gun around the time of WW2 he is also rather shady looking and is asking you to not tell any one he is hiding in the city under the guard of the good guys...

You're again assuming that it is general knowledge that the Insignia has a significant meaning. WE, as an audience know so, but Sumdac has no idea. You are adding facts where none are given, so I would say you are the one speculating and retconning.