New ROTF Leader Class Jeftire Pictures

[ShellformerV1]

(assuming, of course, that Jetfire was a nice guy and didn't destroy the one he replaced).

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I guess he could have hacked the records or something.

I'm guessing you answered it right there :)

 

I see where you're coming from, ShellformerV1. The first movie's Ironhide toy stated that he had a bunch of old parts, too. We'll have to see if they explain it.

For me, I have fun trying to come up with the explanations. It's like what Marvel comics did with the No Prize. First they gave it away to anyone who could find errors in their comics. After a while, they changed it stating that there were no errors in their comics. Readers had to find what looked like errors and then try to explain them away :)

 

So with that in mind, I'm going to throw out another theory. I'm going to guess that TFs can't just switch entire bodies, that their consciousness (sp) is made up of the sum of their parts (spark and head).

Like I mentioned earlier, it doesn't appear that TFs can choose anything for an alt mode. It has to match the capabilities of their body. If they chose to scan a better body, they would transform from one robot to another, thus defeating the purpose. I'm thinking their robot mode is modified as a result of their chosen alt mode and they can't otherwise change their robot mode into some other mode.

So then with that being said, I'm thinking certain upgrades just won't work. For example, you couldn't replace Jazz's entire lower half now because it killed him. Just like with parts for vehicles here on Earth, TF replacement parts start to get outdated.

And just like human bodies can reject replacment parts, perhaps TF bodies can too. I think of TFs like humans made of metal and electronics, and humans like TFs made of organic pieces.

 

 

...ahhhhhh, the good old days of the No-Prize. Nostalgia rules!

 

I've always kind of thought as TFs at the most basal level starting out (in some way, shape or form) as either organic (techno-organic) or having had imprinted upon specific aspects of organics during their genesis (it's how I always looked at the extreme anthropomophizing of all the G1 characters, the fact that they age and the fact that there are females among them). Of course, I was one of about 3 or 4 people who actually liked the G1 Quintesson subplot, so there you go.

 

The entire idea of scanning and specific metamorphosis is (in an unglamorously geeky way) incredibly interesting, especially looking at the Bayverse and the Animatedverse. In the Animatedverse (which I much prefer), the forms the TFs can take seem to be limited only to what their protoform is inserted into (protoforms intended for Screamer are used to complete Lugnut Supreme clones)and the availability of the AllSpark. The protoforms themselves seem to almost be omnimorphs. The Bayverse, on the other side of the rainbow, has attacked the concept of how the TF transform with gusto and fervor...the transformation sequences are some of the best images I've ever seen anywhere, and it carries over to the toys (for the most part), with realistic alt modes and bot modes that bear little resemblance to their alt modes...TRUE robots in disguise.

[Evil Exe]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

It's not like the TFs in the Bay movies can change themselves into anything. Bumblebee wasn't able to fix his own voice and took on two alt modes that had similar sizes. Frenzy also took alt modes that matched his size.

 

Exactly, it's kind of pointless to try to base the physics of a race, off of a total of maybe 30 minutes of screen time that only used at most 3 minutes delving into self and mortality issues.

To those who say that the point of one of his robots aging is counterpart as they are machines and machines don't get old, well, I've owned many a old car that will prove you otherwise.

 

Keep fixing it, painting it, do whatever you want, but when they start to go, they go. A Transformer in that same state actualy makes the concept even more relatable to me.

 

 

I've never intimated that these machines should not get old. Should the Bayverse TF show the countless millenia of wear and tear that they have accrued? Sure--even though the movie shows us that the Bayverse TF can simply use their scanning technology in a fashion that is not altogether different from taking a hot shower (Bee assuming the form of the '08 Concept Camaro). That's not really my problem. My problem is this: if Jetfire has sustained structural damage in his legs that is causing him to walk with a limp and use a cane to help assist his locomotory functions, why would he NOT mod/upgrade/repair this structural deficiency? And how is scanning in the Bayverse so selective that it utterly changes their form, but leaves whatever injuries they have fully intact and present (for the purposes of advancing the plot)?

 

Given that the Bayverse TFs are already using foreign metallic compounds (some liquid) of a higher tensile strength than most of what is found on earth, metallic compounds that can survive entry into our atmosphere (and land violently to boot) while sustaining no discernible damage kind of makes the concept (in the context of the Bayverse) very contrary to me.

 

With that said, every other continuity has TFs in the full spectrum of growth, from the very young to the very old. I guess the true nature of my problem is the mission statement of this franchise--to shove the realism down our throats and make us like it. I applaud Bay & Co. for it. I'm not sure that TFs could work any other way on the big screen. But this--to me--simply flies in the face of the realism they are attempting to portray. I'm sorry: there is no discernible reason why a robot that can scan another form and assume it fully would need a cane, unless Jetfire just has some kind of affinity for the old and hobbled.

 

God, I'm so far off topic: I'm looking at the Jetfire pics again, and man...he just looks so inferior in his alt mode. Ugghh.

 

Hmm, ya know, maybe you should read more about the character. Jetfire is one of the original 13's seekers. That makes him, what? One of the FIRST transformers. And this had been stated in TF lore before (comics, etc.): When a TF doesn't upgrade with the times, after a certain point there's no fixing him. (Ex: IDW Kup) I don't think any of us could possibly imagine how much the TFs in that universe have evolved since then. Not to mention, do we even know how TFs in this universe repair themselves? Who knows, maybe they have CR chambers like in the comics.

[Nguyen_Dragon]

I just noticed something... Is his cane the landing gear?...

[Yuyuyami]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

It's not like the TFs in the Bay movies can change themselves into anything. Bumblebee wasn't able to fix his own voice and took on two alt modes that had similar sizes. Frenzy also took alt modes that matched his size.

 

Exactly, it's kind of pointless to try to base the physics of a race, off of a total of maybe 30 minutes of screen time that only used at most 3 minutes delving into self and mortality issues.

To those who say that the point of one of his robots aging is counterpart as they are machines and machines don't get old, well, I've owned many a old car that will prove you otherwise.

 

Keep fixing it, painting it, do whatever you want, but when they start to go, they go. A Transformer in that same state actualy makes the concept even more relatable to me.

 

 

I've never intimated that these machines should not get old. Should the Bayverse TF show the countless millenia of wear and tear that they have accrued? Sure--even though the movie shows us that the Bayverse TF can simply use their scanning technology in a fashion that is not altogether different from taking a hot shower (Bee assuming the form of the '08 Concept Camaro). That's not really my problem. My problem is this: if Jetfire has sustained structural damage in his legs that is causing him to walk with a limp and use a cane to help assist his locomotory functions, why would he NOT mod/upgrade/repair this structural deficiency? And how is scanning in the Bayverse so selective that it utterly changes their form, but leaves whatever injuries they have fully intact and present (for the purposes of advancing the plot)?

 

Given that the Bayverse TFs are already using foreign metallic compounds (some liquid) of a higher tensile strength than most of what is found on earth, metallic compounds that can survive entry into our atmosphere (and land violently to boot) while sustaining no discernible damage kind of makes the concept (in the context of the Bayverse) very contrary to me.

 

With that said, every other continuity has TFs in the full spectrum of growth, from the very young to the very old. I guess the true nature of my problem is the mission statement of this franchise--to shove the realism down our throats and make us like it. I applaud Bay & Co. for it. I'm not sure that TFs could work any other way on the big screen. But this--to me--simply flies in the face of the realism they are attempting to portray. I'm sorry: there is no discernible reason why a robot that can scan another form and assume it fully would need a cane, unless Jetfire just has some kind of affinity for the old and hobbled.

 

God, I'm so far off topic: I'm looking at the Jetfire pics again, and man...he just looks so inferior in his alt mode. Ugghh.

 

:note "If you're wondering how he eats and breathes..And other science facts..lalala.

Just repeat to yourself 'it's just a show. I should really just relax'" :note

 

Again, this coming from the guy who bitched about the Movie Screamer for over a year?

[Optics]

I just noticed something... Is his cane the landing gear?...

 

Yepperz

[BlackoutX]

I just noticed something... Is his cane the landing gear?...

 

Yepperz

 

I find it hilarious too on the borderline that it doesn't make sense, unless he's rolling it as he's walking. BTW when does Jetfire come out need to start saving some serious money.

[Yuyuyami]

He won't come out. He'll get canceled, just you wait and see!*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*ANIMATED ARCEE ANGST!

[T3H CH3M15T]

I really want to know. If not in the first wave, when is this puppy coming out? Says I, he's as good as bought.

[BlackoutX]

Been digging around and found out some time in August? Maybe? Other rumors points to after the movie premieres. Anyone's guess.