New ROTF Leader Class Jeftire Pictures

[Optics]

sorry, maybe I missed something but when did we actualy see the underside of the alt thats turning you off?

 

Part of it can be seen in the picture of the jet mode. It does not look promising.

 

This might help

[TRANS-lego-MaN]

me like but how much more powerful is he?

[MikePrime]

sorry, maybe I missed something but when did we actualy see the underside of the alt thats turning you off?

 

Part of it can be seen in the picture of the jet mode. It does not look promising.

 

This might help

:tflaugh :tflaugh :tflaugh :tflaugh

 

Nice movie toy Hasbro. You can't even make Leader-class jet look good.

[ShellformerV1]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

[Yuyuyami]

He's not an old guy, he's a pimp, y'dig?

 

His true name is A Pimp Named Slickback.

[ShellformerV1]

Slickback, huh? Just don't come between my main man and his game, blood. Jetfire ain't no muhfuckin' popcorn pimp, ya dig? Pimpin' in da dirty SOUTH, ya heard?

 

John 14:6: I see what you're saying, but to me, Bay cuts just as many unrealistic corners as G1 did with regards to mass shifting. For me, it's just perceived inconsistencies in Bay's mission statement (to make his franchise as REAL as possible, with regards to physics and placing these machines in real-life) and the presence of aged robots in his realistic continuity with further scrutiny directed at the Bayverse's usage of scanning technology. It takes away from the fun factor for me.

[Liege Evilmus]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

It's not like the TFs in the Bay movies can change themselves into anything. Bumblebee wasn't able to fix his own voice and took on two alt modes that had similar sizes. Frenzy also took alt modes that matched his size.

 

Exactly, it's kind of pointless to try to base the physics of a race, off of a total of maybe 30 minutes of screen time that only used at most 3 minutes delving into self and mortality issues.

To those who say that the point of one of his robots aging is counterpart as they are machines and machines don't get old, well, I've owned many a old car that will prove you otherwise.

 

Keep fixing it, painting it, do whatever you want, but when they start to go, they go. A Transformer in that same state actualy makes the concept even more relatable to me.

[ShellformerV1]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

It's not like the TFs in the Bay movies can change themselves into anything. Bumblebee wasn't able to fix his own voice and took on two alt modes that had similar sizes. Frenzy also took alt modes that matched his size.

 

Exactly, it's kind of pointless to try to base the physics of a race, off of a total of maybe 30 minutes of screen time that only used at most 3 minutes delving into self and mortality issues.

To those who say that the point of one of his robots aging is counterpart as they are machines and machines don't get old, well, I've owned many a old car that will prove you otherwise.

 

Keep fixing it, painting it, do whatever you want, but when they start to go, they go. A Transformer in that same state actualy makes the concept even more relatable to me.

 

 

I've never intimated that these machines should not get old. Should the Bayverse TF show the countless millenia of wear and tear that they have accrued? Sure--even though the movie shows us that the Bayverse TF can simply use their scanning technology in a fashion that is not altogether different from taking a hot shower (Bee assuming the form of the '08 Concept Camaro). That's not really my problem. My problem is this: if Jetfire has sustained structural damage in his legs that is causing him to walk with a limp and use a cane to help assist his locomotory functions, why would he NOT mod/upgrade/repair this structural deficiency? And how is scanning in the Bayverse so selective that it utterly changes their form, but leaves whatever injuries they have fully intact and present (for the purposes of advancing the plot)?

 

Given that the Bayverse TFs are already using foreign metallic compounds (some liquid) of a higher tensile strength than most of what is found on earth, metallic compounds that can survive entry into our atmosphere (and land violently to boot) while sustaining no discernible damage kind of makes the concept (in the context of the Bayverse) very contrary to me.

 

With that said, every other continuity has TFs in the full spectrum of growth, from the very young to the very old. I guess the true nature of my problem is the mission statement of this franchise--to shove the realism down our throats and make us like it. I applaud Bay & Co. for it. I'm not sure that TFs could work any other way on the big screen. But this--to me--simply flies in the face of the realism they are attempting to portray. I'm sorry: there is no discernible reason why a robot that can scan another form and assume it fully would need a cane, unless Jetfire just has some kind of affinity for the old and hobbled.

 

God, I'm so far off topic: I'm looking at the Jetfire pics again, and man...he just looks so inferior in his alt mode. Ugghh.

[Lord Atmo]

My sentiments exactly. This is extremely subpar, and I don't understand why a Bayverse TF would not simply upgrade themselves to stave off the mechanical equivalent of aging (with their scanning technology and ability to completely alter their physiognomic configuration, which makes them equal part transMORPHERS) in any way other than to say that it's a Michael Bay movie and that I deserve a swift kick in the ass for even attempting to decipher or understand it.

 

Granted, aged and aging TFs are a staple in every aspect of the TF universe, but the Bayverse has set itself apart on account of their so-called realism. Robotic aging (based on anthropological designs) has no obvious place in the Bayverse. With that in mind, I grade the Bayverse differently and scoff louder when I see stuff like this.***

 

(***Actually, Bay deserves much more than this for foisting the cinematic suppositiories known as Pearl Harbor and Armageddon upon me)

It's not like the TFs in the Bay movies can change themselves into anything. Bumblebee wasn't able to fix his own voice and took on two alt modes that had similar sizes. Frenzy also took alt modes that matched his size.

 

Exactly, it's kind of pointless to try to base the physics of a race, off of a total of maybe 30 minutes of screen time that only used at most 3 minutes delving into self and mortality issues.

To those who say that the point of one of his robots aging is counterpart as they are machines and machines don't get old, well, I've owned many a old car that will prove you otherwise.

 

Keep fixing it, painting it, do whatever you want, but when they start to go, they go. A Transformer in that same state actualy makes the concept even more relatable to me.

 

 

I've never intimated that these machines should not get old. Should the Bayverse TF show the countless millenia of wear and tear that they have accrued? Sure--even though the movie shows us that the Bayverse TF can simply use their scanning technology in a fashion that is not altogether different from taking a hot shower (Bee assuming the form of the '08 Concept Camaro). That's not really my problem. My problem is this: if Jetfire has sustained structural damage in his legs that is causing him to walk with a limp and use a cane to help assist his locomotory functions, why would he NOT mod/upgrade/repair this structural deficiency? And how is scanning in the Bayverse so selective that it utterly changes their form, but leaves whatever injuries they have fully intact and present (for the purposes of advancing the plot)?

 

Given that the Bayverse TFs are already using foreign metallic compounds (some liquid) of a higher tensile strength than most of what is found on earth, metallic compounds that can survive entry into our atmosphere (and land violently to boot) while sustaining no discernible damage kind of makes the concept (in the context of the Bayverse) very contrary to me.

 

With that said, every other continuity has TFs in the full spectrum of growth, from the very young to the very old. I guess the true nature of my problem is the mission statement of this franchise--to shove the realism down our throats and make us like it. I applaud Bay & Co. for it. I'm not sure that TFs could work any other way on the big screen. But this--to me--simply flies in the face of the realism they are attempting to portray. I'm sorry: there is no discernible reason why a robot that can scan another form and assume it fully would need a cane, unless Jetfire just has some kind of affinity for the old and hobbled.

 

God, I'm so far off topic: I'm looking at the Jetfire pics again, and man...he just looks so inferior in his alt mode. Ugghh.

 

:note "If you're wondering how he eats and breathes..And other science facts..lalala.

Just repeat to yourself 'it's just a show. I should really just relax'" :note

[Spombe]

LOL, well...if you want to talk about realism...

 

Assuming the form of an every day vehicle like an automobile or a motorcycle and hiding in a city or town is one thing.

 

But did no one at the Air Force base wonder where the extra SR-71 Blackbird came from?

 

(assuming, of course, that Jetfire was a nice guy and didn't destroy the one he replaced).

 

The same applies for the rest of the Decepticons. Did no one notice the extra F-22 Raptor and wonder where it came from?

 

I guess he could have hacked the records or something. But still, it's a funny thought. It reminds me of when the Constructicons first show up in the original cartoon and the construction workers were saying that they didn't order any new construction vehicles.