GenZhao of KO Toy who has posted a video review of the Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Leader class Starscream action figure. If you been wondering about this toy, here is an opportunity to see it in live action. Read the Full News Story Here

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Peaugh Review
<i>Thanks Taaron</i>
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Kool..... but what the hell is up with that intro?

I think this will be the first ROTF toy I actually hunt for XD

Even though most of the ROTF leaders have been quite nice, but overall SS looks perfect

Still tastes like chicken to me.

not a big fan of this review, transformation looks interesting, the figure still looks great.

i can't wait til peaugh gets a hold of this figure.. maybe then we'll actually get to see a review of this figure with a few lights on.

i guess the finger tips aren't articulated?

i'm just glad the head gimmick doesn't interfere with the heads articulation.. though i would still rather have ball jointed heads on leader figures.

As soon as I saw those hairy arms, I couldn't watch the review.

I'm sold on this figure. It looks frikkin' gorgeous. Plus it's nice that the electronics won't be constantly activated like Prime's

The figure looks awesome. Must have.

MikePrime, on 06 November 2009 - 12:43 PM, said:

hahaha.

i came across this guys page on youtube once.. and his voice is absolutely the most boring voice i've ever heard.

so i watched this without the sound.

i still want to know definitively about whether the finger tips are posable or not.

I can never hear what he's saying in his reviews...anyhow, I like the figure...but I might be in the minority here..definitely am in the minority here, but I kinda prefer the bronze-ish/tan-ish color of the Voyager over the grey of the leader class.

Maybe I'll like the colors better in person, though?

Taaron, on 06 November 2009 - 03:34 PM, said:

I guess it depends on whether you prefer tan plastic or light gray plastic, neither of which are ideal. I can see your point on this. I prefer the gray color for Leader Starscream, but I don't expect it to be anything spectacular.

MikePrime, on 06 November 2009 - 12:43 PM, said:

Figure looks nice though.

i wonder why they didn't use a darker shade of grey.. i mean on the rotf special features they obviously had a ton of reference photos.. it seems like hasbro ALWAYS uses a lighter diluted color.. this very prominent in the universe classics line.. like with ratchet, ironhide, dinobot, hound, sunstreaker, onslaught, and their new powerglide.. i just don't understand how this stuff gets approved.. i mean especially the tan starscream.. i mean.. when has an F22 ever been tan? maybe when the sun is shining on it's silvery body,.. but that's it.

with the amount they charge for leader class figures, i highly highly doubt it would hurt their bottom line to give us a nice rich grey. i mean.. in some of the recent photos he still looks like he's really light greyish beige.. but hey.. maybe somewhere down the line takara will correct this problem, i doubt it though.

in this photo, the color looks nice.. but that's not what he really looks like.



but i mean look.. they couldn't have just made him a shade or two darker? i'm not asking for silver, i'm not asking for more detail.. just a darker shade.

Blarg. It looks like his wrists aren't a swivel joint. That's a big turn-off for me.

KnightSoul, on 06 November 2009 - 05:19 PM, said:

why?

timothyVritchey, on 06 November 2009 - 08:39 PM, said:

To me, it's a critical point of articulation. With his wrists permanently in that position, his three main poses are "gorilla robot," "IT CAN BE HUG TEIM?" and "I am Bender, please insert girder!"

KnightSoul, on 06 November 2009 - 06:38 PM, said:

but that's pretty much how his wrists were in the movie.. he had forearm articulation.. but not really wrist articulation.

i don't remember if his forearm swivels in the review, if it doesn't then it should, & that's what i'd be more annoyed about.

dude, just cause you don't see it on screen doesn't mean the toy shouldn't have it.

Wrist, or really any additional articulation is always a plus. Lacking it isn't a deal breaker for me. It's no where near as offensive as say crab walkers. It's still a plus though.

I didn't watch the review though. It's a spoiler issue. I do wanna know what members think though so I read most of the posts. Well, all I'm saying is that acuracy, while nice, shouldn't be the only things these toys strive for. While it is a key ingredient and very important, play value should be the key.

With all the oversites in the alt, I can't see wrist articulation being a detail they'd care to capture. So in this day and age, I can ununderstand the idea that the lacking swivel in the larger figures is lazy. Hell even Scout Dead End has wrist articulation.

Then we have to worry about the truest danger in acuracy vs play value. That being figures like Demolisher. 10 years ago in a line with semi-similar figures they snuck in legs. There's no reason outside of using acuracy as an excuse for lazy(sad) why they couldn't have done that now.

I dont have any of the leaders but I think this one will be the first one I buy...I never pay more than $25 for a toy but I'll consider a change here

i understand the complaint with wrist articulation.. but if you have a forearm swivel then it pretty much settles both arguments. it's accurate.. and you can position the hands normally with the elbow joint bending forward.. if both parties get what they want.. then it's the better solution. not to mention it'd look better.. being able to see the missiles and the gun.. if only the wrist swivels and you want the elbow to bend accurately.. then the pop out features go unseen.

actually the BIGGEST complaint i have.. is that the rear set of shoulder wings are not further out than the front set.. they're closer to his head when they should be further away than the front set.. it's one of the recognizable aspects of movie starscream. to me.. it's be like if G1 starscreams wings were positioned like G1 ramjets.

I watched this yesterday, and I gotta say I feel a bit stupid for buying the voyager now...

However, you must remember this is still the prototype. Hasbro has time to mess it up. They may take away all arm or wrist movement, for example.

Some notes:

The legs look unstable. Not as bad as the Voyager's legs, but it could be a problem.

They didn't get the tats right. I don't get this. If you are going to take the time to put all that on, why not do it right? In the time that they came up with a new tat design to throw on there, they could have studied a few pictures to actually get it right, or at least closer than they have.

I hate this guy's reviews. He needs to check the lighting before starting up, and he needs to speak louder. I turned my volume up as high as possible and I still couldn't hear his mumblewhispers.

Firepaw, on 07 November 2009 - 05:49 PM, said:

they've only used one design for the markings.. the voyager and the leader. but i do agree that they should have been accurate.. at least they don't look bad ya know?

he looks extremely stable to me.. very minimal kibble.. and the way he first had him posed was leaning back and still was able to stand stable. plus he's got a bunch of ratchet joints.. and a heal piece (which isn't flipped out in the photos) stability shouldn't be a concern of yours.. on the rotf special features there are a few pictures of starscream posed.. now if hasbro can pose him than he must be stable lol.
i would bet you my life that nothing will change from the figure in the review. i wish some of the colors would be changed to be more cohesive.. maybe have the jet a darker grey.. but i doubt they will remove any of its features.

and i too hate this guys reviews.

Love how he says "Look at the detail" but doesnt provide any closeups to SHOW it.

I love this toy. Want.

timothyVritchey, on 08 November 2009 - 03:21 AM, said:

Actually, I do think they look bad, and it's even worse when its on a larger figure because it's more noticable.

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I suppose I was watching a different video, because in the one I saw it fell over and need some adjustments to stand.

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Just because a figure has a bunch of pieces to hold it up doesn't mean it's stable. Voyager SS and Megs, for example, also have extra bits to hold them up, but they still can't hold but a couple of poses.
I haven't seen any pictures of Hasbro posing him, but it still doesn't matter. Hasbro also took pictures of Voayger SS with poseable fingers.

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So how will this bet go? If you lose, you will be my e-slave? Cool. I'll take that bet.
I'm not saying they will remove special features. I'm just saying they will find a way to make it considerably worse. IE, removing finger poseability, adding random pieces or red or bright orange plastic, making the sound effect buttons sticky and the batteries inaccessible, complete lack of paint aside from tats, white/light gray plastic changes to tan... Something like that.

Hmmm im betting colors will be better and more co-existing together in cordination with each other in the final. Im pretty sure this is an "unfinshed" painted, "finished mold" copy.

Not sure until more close ups, final version, (& yeah i agree) Peaugh's review, and in hand if i like the head. Something seems either "off" or "prototype"

timothyVritchey, on 06 November 2009 - 04:37 PM, said:

Man... I love this fig but movie accurate tats like in the pic would have been amazing. Maybe I can get one of my friends to print some up in vinyl for me.

Firepaw, on 08 November 2009 - 05:27 PM, said:

voyager starscream was terrible for stability.. and leader megatron.. for me anyways.. has not fallen over since i've got him.. not even on my carpet (it's a soft carpet).. voyager starscream was so bad with stability because of the size of his footprint, the articulation of the foot and the joints in his legs, they weren't ratchet joints which allows them to sway. um are you sure you watched this video? i certainly didn't see him fall over.. not to mention when you don't position his legs accurately with him being top heavy of course he's going to fall over.. most figure's will.. try having leader prime's knees bent so that he's leaning back.. i'm sure he'd fall over too.. hell my human alliance bumblebee falls over if he's leaning back a little too much.. oh and in this video.. he is leaning back and still doesn't fall over.

i can't remember (within the movie line) when something was changed that made the figure worse.. with leader prime the panels, in robot mode, that stick up next to the exhaust pipes were originally red.. but when he came out they were painted silver.. so other than that, i haven't seen them change anything between prototype & production with a movie leader figure. i mean.. hasbro obviously specifically showed video/photos of leader starscream in the rotf special features for a reason.. they've not going to point out different features and such then not have them on the final product.

you really really think that they'd change the color back to tan? when have they shown us a figure in one color ? (not photoshopped) and produced it in another? and the fingers HAVE to be pose-able in order to properly use the add on missile launcher.. and i you actually watched the video you'll see that they also HAVE to be pose-able in order to transform. he's not a gun so he certainly won't need to have any orange plastic.. they could add some red for wiring detail.. but i doubt they would.. and what does the sound effect button have to do with anything? if it's sticky that doesn't mean they purposely changed something just to annoy people.. i doubt they would intentionally make a button sticky. i certainly don't know of any figure that has batteries that aren't easily accessible.. that also doesn't even pertain to anything that's being discussed.. they would never change the location of the batteries from a colored prototype to the production figure.. you really think they'd be able to do that?

what's so bad about the tattoos.. they're not that far off from the actual movie version. the photo i think i posted somewhere since we've seen photos of this figure isn't an actual screen cap from the movie. in the movie he had a lot of markings.. the figure does too.. i just don't see what's so terrible about them.. sure they're not 100% accurate.. but hey at least they're there. i'd rather have starscream with the markings if he's like that in the movie than have him not have them.. plus they can be very easily removed.

yeah some stuff was eliminated for voyager starscream from the back of the box.. but that's a voyager figure.. not a leader.. and i bet they did that so that the leader class figure would have it.. why put pop out guns and pose-able fingers on the voyager figure when you can save that and do it better with the leader figure.. certainly gives people more incentive to get the leader.. this is hasbro we're talking about.. they're trying to make money.. so take away some of the stuff that people wanted with the voyager figure and execute them with the leader.. so people will buy both.

so.. i doubt that hand pose ability will be taken away cause he needs it for his weapon and the transformation, the legs DO look stable, it has ratchet joints so he won't sway, he's able to stand even when the legs are positioned improperly & his top heavy body is leaning back. the markings are debatable.. either you like them or you don't, i like them, you don't.. i'm fine with that.

but hey.. we won't know who's right until the figure comes out. lol.

god i love e-debating. don't you? (i'm serious)

fighting and name calling are lame.. i'm glad people here don't do that.

Azure_Dragoon, on 08 November 2009 - 07:02 PM, said:

i posted incorrectly.. those aren't the actual markings that were in movie.

Problem is with Colour Cohesion, allot of colours that seem vastly different in photos can be virtually identical in-front of your eyes. And vice versa some you see in photos and they look identical till you see em under real light and they look vastly different.

Its funny, if Hasbro made him without tattoo's, ppl would bitch cuz its not "screen accurate", when they give him his tattoo's, ppl bitch, cuz its not as cool or realistic(? this is one complaint ive heard) as it would look like without. Cant win them all i guess, BUT maybe you can! Hasbro could, mind you i said could, release a movie color scheme deco later down the road.

Personally i the tattoo's, i think its a great personality trait. But im wondering what the repaint is gonna look like. I imagine it will be something of the same movie concept but better color deco. And it will most likely be in 2011.

deceptikhan, on 09 November 2009 - 05:08 PM, said:

i agree, i've said several times that no matter what people are going to complain.

i too think that the tattoos give a real great sense of personality.

when it comes down to it.. i'm glad they're there, and they look good.. sure i'd be happy if they were more accurate.. but then again, compared to the rotf leader prime.. the first one was absolute garbage, there were whole sections of flame missing. the body looked fat.. it was extremely inaccurate, it was bulky.. etc.. but at the time people loved it.. they were saying that it was one of the best primes ever.. now people have to agree that this starscream blows that prime completely out of the water.. yet there are tons of people who hate it.. i don't understand that.

Target or TRU will have a G1 Akkurat Starscream repaint down the road... watch... oh yes.

now THAT is a good review.

damn i REALLY REALLY liked the figure before.. but now i LOVE this figure.

i really cannot wait for this thing.. i'll probably watch this review like 5 more times..

timothyVritchey, on 10 November 2009 - 03:43 AM, said:

Agreed. I wasn't sold on the colors in the other review, but after watching Peaugh's review with better lighting, I'm really sold on it.

I didn't want to watch that. It ruins the suprize, but I'm weak...
The figure looks awesome. The head is reminding me of Animated Blitzwing though.

I also can't help but wonder where is the Mindwipe review, and how much does this guy pay to get these figures first!?!

It can't be cheap.

this review was incredible.

the figure looks so much better.

i was excited to get it already.. now i'm extremely excited.

i love the way that peaugh transformed his back.. looks sooo much better.

Taaron, on 10 November 2009 - 01:47 AM, said:

exactly!! especially in those photos that we've seen.. the color looked way too light.

the color definitely looks great in peaughs review.

i love the way peaugh transformed starscreams back.. definitely looks more accurate and clean.

Funny thing is, I think he bought it off GenZhao. His only came with one missle and no electronics, too, didn't it?

Anyways, as I said in the merged topic, Peaugh's review really sold me on the figure, and it's colors, Can't wait for it to be released.

Merged again?!

Dare I say this is best Movie TF toy to date?

I only wish he would show a close up of the hands like he did in for the mouth. they look to be a little articulated. I like the weapon gimmick on the arms. That is very nice.

I predict this figure will be hard to find on the shelves.....since it will hit barely in time for the holidays.

I know when I see this figure I will buy it....unlike Jetfire....

Pretty nice. In keeping with my commitment to buy one version of movie characters this time, I'll make Leader Starscream my only movie Starscream.

Damn this is nice. Do want.

Leader Starscream: Peaugh Approved.

DJBomberman, on 10 November 2009 - 11:37 AM, said:

yeah, it really looked like the finger tips were going to be articulated, but i guess that isn't the case.. that's no problem though. i can certainly live without it. i love the forearms, the shapes and gimmicks are great (in my opinion)

i would say that leader starscream and leader prime are tied, that might change when i get starscream. but for now they are both really incredible looking figures, especially together, i love how wide starscream looks compared to prime.

depending on how they package starscream.. it could be hard to find.. i doubt they'd package 2 starscreams to a box.. so i'm sure it'll be like jetfire.. some people could find 5 of them.. some people might only see one.. and i'm sure it'll take a while to get to every store.. i wish every store stocked the figures within a few days to a week of each other.

i like more complicated transformatons.. but i still like this one.. there are a bunch of smaller pieces to move around & i like that. and it's nice that he isn't similar to jetfire where pretty much the whole jet transforms.. whereas with jetfire he's just a robot with jet parts.. with starscream the jet parts are better incorporated into the robot.

to much finger articulation often leads to missing knuckles.

I like bots that can grip, but I like ones that stay together more.

timothyVritchey, on 10 November 2009 - 01:28 PM, said:

I think Prime has too many actual flaws to be considered as good, although he comes in as a close 2nd. Primes flaws are his wheels do NOT lock on to his thighs, via screen COOL accurate, and (more minor) his mask doesnt open up to reveal his mouth. Wheels i bet they left like that to get us to buy a more accurate version for 2011 TF3.

about the Peaugh video;

From the one "I" watched, you could only see half of him, but i have a feeling it was the way it was ebbeded into the screen on the site on was on att. Still, even IF he only got half of him in it, a friggin GREAT review! Im more psyched to get this than ANY OTHER figure! Thanks Hasbro And Peaugh

Liege Evilmus, on 10 November 2009 - 03:58 PM, said:

lol, true true.

deceptikhan, on 10 November 2009 - 05:45 PM, said:

i think starscream has the same amount of nitpicky type flaws too.

but you could be right.. once i have both in hand i'll be able to make a more educated decision.. so yeah.. he's awesome.. he could very well be loads better than prime.. and i'm glad that you think he already is. starscream has been my favorite character/design since the first movie.. and i'm glad that we're finally getting a leader class starscream that looks very much like rotf starscream.

he really can't come out soon enough.

peaugh really does do great reviews.

Peaugh is a hero among men. Top notch review.

This is probably the best executed Transformer fig I've seen to date. We're gonna find flaws with any new fig, but the balance here is great. Nice detail, big toy, decent articulation, and good looking plastic to go with something that is solid in both modes (I hate hollow TFs) and is a good representation of what we see on screen. Yes, the articulation could be better and he could have a thinner alt mode and jets on his back, but he could also have a much more compromised look to whichever mode they sacrificed to make the other better. They probably could have made a better neck and wrists and cooler looking intakes without the gimmicks too, but gimmicks are neat and they help toys sell to the largest group of toy consumers. B'sides, I think the arm gimmicks are kinda cool, so that takes the sting out of it for me.

I really look forward to this figure. More so than I have for any Transformer in quite some time.

yeah i'm not a big fan of the yellow intakes, but as soon as i get the figure i'm removing those yellow pieces, painting them matte black & putting them back in.

Timothy, I'm not going to reply to your posts until you start using at least a little punctuation. Its really hard to read what you are saying when you throw one sentence into another without pausing... This isn't an attack on your or anything, just how I feel about it.

deceptikhan, on 09 November 2009 - 05:08 PM, said:

All I'm saying is that if they were going to do the tattoos, they might as well do it right. I've never had a problem with the tats themselves, just the inaccurate design.


I haven't watched Peaugh's review yet, but I will in a bit. I hope he goes into detail on articulation. I think I'll hold off on judging the figure any further until I've seen this new review.
Actually, even then, it may be better to wait until it becomes available to the public before lavishing on a ton of praise and going so far as to claim he's better than Prime... I mean, how can you say that when you don't have the figure in hand?

Firepaw, on 11 November 2009 - 03:48 PM, said:

Prime's great! Hes just doesnt have his wheels locked on his thighs, other then the voyager mold, and they COULD have done so with a few more hinges and swivels. It makes him sub par to the real model imo. Thats all, the rest of him (other then mouth, but he DOES have a faceplate so) is accurate enough and i DO enjoy him. I may try to find a way to get his wheels down and lock them on his thighs.

I bet its just they are waiting for TF3 to do him FULLY right, so they can sell more toys. Im betting this will be the ONLY leader mold SS gets so they did it as right as they could. I could see a retool on SS, and probably an extensive retool on Prime.

deceptikhan, on 11 November 2009 - 05:23 PM, said:

what do you mean locked down? like they should both be on his thighs? i do agree with you, but i don't mind it that much. with prime i wish the arm panels were a bit smaller and the tank type things on his shoulders were more on his shoulders.

Firepaw, on 11 November 2009 - 03:48 PM, said:

lol i'm sorry. whenever i post i kinda just say what comes to mind at that particular time. sometimes i reread my sentences and see if they make sense to me. could you PM me an example of what you're talking about?

thanks for the advice*

chances are one of the inevitable repaints may be tattoo free so why not just wait for that?

Pfff. "Wait," he says.
See, when we wait for things that means we don't have them right now.
Do you see the error in your logic now?

A repaint may happen, but it won't be anytime soon. I don't like the tattoos, but I'll deal with it since the toy itself is very nice.

he is so dame big i bet he is bigger then Megatron

i love the markings, but for people who don't, they're very easy to remove.

if we do get a repaint of this figure i doubt it'll just be the same scheme minus the markings. it'll probably be something similar to night watch prime, desert brawl, & the upcoming black megatron. i don't think they'd redeco him as skywarp or thundercraker.. but they could. i wouldn't hold out hope for a plain starscream. i'd bet IF they do redeco him it'll stay the same character just a different sort of title, like stealth starscream, or something like that, in which case he'd probably still retain the markings... but i could be wrong.

Im thinking they will wait for TF3 to reissue him, and it will be with a MORE accurate paint scheme. Like all silver paint, with a few more details, maybe even those thrusters on his back everybody keeps talking about.

Btw, anyone have a link to these alleged "thrusters" on his back? Are they on the back of his wings or som'n?

And NO hes smaller then Prime since Megatron is alot bigger then Prime and hes a "tad" bigger in a sense, then Prime. Point in case, MEGATRON IS F'N HUGE!!! (just give him wider arms and a articulated elbow and hes golden! Oh ya some improvemnts to be more tank/jet accurate too)

I just watched Peaugh's review. Some things:
1)Looks like I was right about the stability.
When I'm talking about stability, I don't mean how he'll stay up after setting the legs just right, I'm talking about how long it takes to get them in that very position. He seems top heavy and it looks like you might only be able to get away with putting the legs in a couple of positions.
The review didn't go into detail on how much the legs can move, if he has elbows, or if the head can turn.

2)I hope they put some paint on that face... One of me biggest disappointments with RotF Prime is the lack of paint on the head.

3)The arm weapons were cool. I like.

deceptikhan: just because prime can be better, that doesn't make SS better than him. I really think we need the figure in hand before we can know for sure.

Tim: Just try to slow down when you type, and throw in a few more breaks. That's all. I don't always use perfect punctuation myself, but I do use a lots of commas, and lots of paragraphs for separate points, even if it's improper since its all the same subject. I just find it easier to look at.

Firepaw, on 12 November 2009 - 07:31 PM, said:

Why the hell did you reply in the quotes? O_o

What exactly is your "source" that says SS isn't top heavy? And regardless of if you can pose the figure or not, if it's difficult that means low stability. >_> Do we need to get into a dictionary battle here?

deceptikhan.. hasbro never claimed that the arm transformed into a missile launcher. there hasn't been a single image or video that would lead anyone to believe that the arm turned into the launcher.

the first clear prototype images we saw didn't have the launcher.

we saw the rotf special features. in that segment they have a photo to the detached launcher.

& we saw the back of the box image. in that photo you can CLEARLY see that the hand folds onto the forearm and the launcher pops onto the palm. sure on the box it says "converts" but what else would they have said? in every picture of starscreams arm it's obvious that it doesn't transform into a launcher. it's too big to somehow be stored in a forearm that already has a gimmick.


and firepaw. i believe i debated with you about stability before. and i'll semi concede. in peaughs photo gallery he does seem to be pretty stable. starscreams legs are unique, they're different from most transformers. so it's going to take you a bit longer to pose him than usual. most other transformers are relatively easy because the legs are simply straight up & down. so you have to get the legs right for it to be stable. when you get a feel for how his legs work i imagine he'll be quite stable. he's got a bunch of ratchet joints and a large footprint.

i define stability in a transformer like this.. if i put starscream in a pose, and he is able to keep that pose.. that's stability.. if you're finding it hard to find a pose that works i'd call that a problem with pose-ability. you really have to figure out his center of gravity and position the legs the right way to achieve the pose that you want.

when standing straight up and down he looks extremely stable & sturdy. after all peaugh did say that he was stable once you position the legs right.

i'll will say that his hips could use one more ratchet joint, i think that's what make him look like he's unstable.

but i will have to agree with you. he certainly does look a bit top heavy.. which he should be. but there's not a lot of bulk on his back. which is could so that he won't have the tendency to fall over backwards. most of his bulk seems to be right in his chest.


but hey.. this is all speculation 'til we get the figure in our hands.

(sorry if my punctuation was terrible)

*edit*

have you seen peaughs photo gallery? or even the back of the box image from a bit back? starscream can clearly turn his head without a problem. and his elbows clearly bend.. opposite of the voyagers.

I wouldn't call SS's footprint large. A large footprint would be, like... Prime. Yes, I use him as an example a lot.

The word "stability" can be used either way in this case, and I was just verifying what I meant. There's really nothing to argue about here...

No, I haven't seen the pictures. Link?